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Ever wondered what sets a PA12 Super Cruiser apart from a Super Cub, or been curious about the differences between the PA14 Cub Coupe and the PA16 Clipper? Join us for a fun and informative discussion on general aviation, as we debate the advantages of various aircraft with our special guest, Barbara. We'll also touch on Scott's recent acquisition of a PA 28 140 and dive into the fascinating topic of corrugation on control surfaces.

In the second part of our conversation, we explore some quirky topics like messaging services on eBay, rippling flaps on the aircraft, and even a unique kosher rum for Passover. Scott, shares his family's incredible history of innovation, including his great uncle who invented the shrimp deveiner, and his grandfather's brother who created the machine that makes cardboard. We'll also discuss how corrugation can add strength to structures without the extra weight.

Lastly, we examine the structure of scientific research papers and how they relate to private pilot training. Delving into topics like cognitive overload, human factors, and situational awareness, we consider the implications of turning this research into an app. Barb, our first female episode guest, shares her experiences with distractions during online chat and equipment issues like printer jams and outdated ink cartridges. Don't miss out on this captivating episode packed with intriguing discussions and insights!

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General Aviation Discussion

Speaker 1 0:00

Yeah, three watching now.

Speaker 2 0:01

We're just waiting on Barb. Hopefully she's not one of the three. I guess it wouldn't matter.

Speaker 1 0:07

No, oh, I wanted to do some. Have you talked to Ian negative, okay, I Need to email him and apologize for my Getting my airplanes mixed up.

Speaker 2 0:19

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 0:19

I have not been able to sleep. Oh No, i'm just thinking it's like man. I said P, he said PA 14. I was talking about PA 16.

Speaker 2 0:26

I don't think that was actually on the live stream though.

Speaker 1 0:29

God, it's not gonna turn into any.

Speaker 2 0:32

I don't know, i have to go through all that.

Speaker 3 0:33

Well, yeah, okay It gets his PA's mixed up. That's, that's bad. It's real bad.

Speaker 2 0:38

That's the depressing.

Speaker 1 0:40

I am depressed.

Speaker 2 0:40

What mistake did you make precisely?

Speaker 1 0:43

so we were talking about. So he got a PA 12, a super cruiser, and which a lot of it's two. They're cost-effective alternative to a super cub and In some senses they have. They have their own merit. They're cool in a way. They have a lot more elbow room, things like that. They'll never truly be a super cub just because the way the wings are mounted, the fuselage, the angle of incidence is not. It's not the same Angles of supercubs to the short field won't. It'll be closed. But it'll never be a super cub unless you just put a lot of money into it to correct that, if you even can. So he has one of those we were talking about. The insurance company He was like trying, there's only a couple different types of airplanes that he could go fly that they would use as Time building. Yeah, for checkout purposes.

Speaker 1 1:31

Yeah and one of them was a PA 14, i believe. I believe he said PA 14, which is a cub coupe, and I and I was thinking PA 16 clipper and Obviously those are different. So pH 14. If that's what he said, that makes sense to me. I was making a case for it not making sense being a PA 16 clipper, except more like a tripacer without a More like a pacer. Yeah not a tripacer. Tail wheel, short wings, short fuselage. I.

Speaker 3 2:02

Don't know all my PAs I.

Speaker 1 2:05

G. I pride myself on knowing above average on them, but I just bought a PA 28 140, oh Yeah. How's she looking? I?

Speaker 3 2:18

Not bad, i mean it's. I Came with a lot of parts and an engine, so that's good.

Speaker 1 2:25

Well, you're do you know of him, No Narrow deck or wide deck engine. You know.

Speaker 3 2:33

Okay, I don't know. I just looked at the pile of parts and the two sets of wings and two fuselages and threw him out of number.

Speaker 1 2:39

Yeah okay, cool. Yeah, feel like he did good. Yeah, get a prop.

Speaker 3 2:44

No, but whatever.

Speaker 1 2:46

Doesn't matter Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:47

I got a lot of stuff. Yeah great, i paid 9500.

Speaker 1 2:50

so are the. Is the corrugation on the control surfaces Concave or convex? convex or concave.

Speaker 3 2:59

I think concave and then there's some control surfaces He had that are smooth. Somebody Rescund them but reskin them smooth, So they're probably scrap metal.

Speaker 1 3:08

But yeah, yeah, unless there was like an STC, where, if you use a higher gauge because it would be less strong, yeah, it wouldn't be. A strong being smooth right like corrugation, is there for strength. Yeah so if they used a higher gate or Lower, higher thick, more thick, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 3:25

There's a set of control surfaces that are correct. And then he bought a parts plane and that came with control surfaces and those ones were already covered smooth. So I don't know. I'll have to do some research interesting. I wonder if there's an STC. That'd be sweet if there was. Yeah, he said that they're probably only good for like a home-built Plane, but he didn't know so we mean corrugation on a control surface you know, on the pipers they're like like scalloped looking where they have like ridges in them.

Speaker 3 3:56

Yeah, the sessions have like the little ribs in them. You know, i don't know what you call them.

Speaker 1 4:02

Corrigation.

Speaker 3 4:03

Yeah, but theirs are all external.

Speaker 1 4:05

All right, Hey Barb.

Speaker 2 4:07

Barb's here. Hey, you got us.

Speaker 1 4:10

What is going on over there?

Speaker 2 4:12

Do you have headphones?

Speaker 1 4:13

Oh, sounds like she's printing something. Yeah, sounds like a printer.

Speaker 3 4:17

Can she hear us? She can't hear us. Oh, audio problems. Audio, these are always fun Audio problems.

Speaker 2 4:26

The internet looks great though It does. It's faster internet than we have.

Speaker 3 4:31

Audio problems can be the death of an episode.

Speaker 2 4:33

Yes, We're going to have you come up with a podcast episode if this doesn't work. Scott, yeah.

Speaker 3 4:38

I can do that. Let's talk about automated systems.

Speaker 4 4:43

I can't hear you guys at all.

Speaker 1 4:45

Weakening you.

Speaker 4 4:47

No, I can't hear you.

Speaker 3 4:49

I'm just going to talk about automated systems. Do we need her?

Speaker 4 4:53

That noises me, by the way.

Speaker 1 4:55

We know Yeah.

Speaker 4 4:57

It's stopping.

Speaker 1 4:59

I want to identify that sound, though That's an interesting sound.

Speaker 2 5:02

Help me They're called Barb.

Speaker 1 5:05

This is fun. So yeah, so Sesame, yeah, they have like those really sharp. Hey, the real sharp.

Speaker 2 5:10

A corrugation.

Speaker 3 5:11

We're going to have you, fine, yeah, yeah, they're like.

Speaker 4 5:14

Great, can you hear all?

Speaker 3 5:15

that Corrugation right Yeah, i guess.

Speaker 1 5:19

I guess we'll let them do this, I guess.

Speaker 3 5:21

Sesame Allerons are always bent Where They're never perfectly straight.

Speaker 1 5:27

Huh, do you think that's because they get like hand rash Or?

Speaker 3 5:30

what I don't know. Just every once in a while I'll get one that's completely straight. But most Sesame Allerons I've got have like a little curve to them.

Speaker 4 5:38

Yeah.

Speaker 3 5:40

I don't know, i haven't done as many pipers, but the ones that I have done have been straight.

Speaker 1 5:45

Do you think they're like G'd up or do you think it's a design on purpose?

Speaker 3 5:48

It could be a design, but why are some of them straight and some of them? Because those are the ones that are G'd up, could be.

Speaker 1 5:53

They got repaired and then they're like, oh, this should be straight.

Speaker 3 5:55

Yeah, i don't know.

Speaker 1 5:57

This thing handles like shit.

Speaker 3 5:59

Yeah, i don't know.

Speaker 1 6:00

Yeah, i don't know Something to think about.

Speaker 3 6:02

Yeah, i just take pictures and videos of the curve. Nobody here says anything about them.

Speaker 4 6:10

I hear you. I hear you. Maybe it's normal, i got you.

Speaker 3 6:14

I had one guy send it back and set it, So you got it now right.

Speaker 4 6:18

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 6:19

Perfect, Hi Barb. What's going on?

Speaker 4 6:22

Hi, what's doing?

Speaker 3 6:24

How's it going?

Speaker 4 6:26

Great.

Speaker 2 6:27

You've never actually met Lee or Scott in person.

Speaker 3 6:30

No, we've had drinks out of my aunt. This is also not in person. What This?

Speaker 2 6:34

is technically.

Speaker 4 6:35

You know what It counts enough. I was walked around on FaceTime at Precash Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind of there. Yeah, it's moving It's honorary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:50

We were still embracing COVID at that time, so everything was virtual.

Speaker 2 6:53

Yeah, distance attendance.

Speaker 3 6:55

We take that very seriously.

Speaker 4 6:57

Are we not live yet? Could I print notes, or do we not do that?

Speaker 2 7:01

We're live right now.

Speaker 4 7:03

There's only five people watching. No one's here, tyler, just under the chat, So he says good luck.

Speaker 3 7:09

I have to enter a meeting in four minutes.

Speaker 2 7:12

We'll check in later, so Tyler's not here.

Speaker 4 7:14

I'm just gonna send it out. No, no, that stinks, that's all right, he'll be back.

Speaker 1 7:19

Yeah, he can count on it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 7:22

If I mute my mic one sec can I print things. I'm very prepared.

Speaker 1 7:25

Okay, that's the first Good, i'm glad somebody is.

Speaker 3 7:29

Don't worry about muting it. Bob knows how to edit that out. I make all kinds of noises just because I know Bob can edit it out. It's fine.

Speaker 2 7:36

Yeah, that's the spirit. If you want to print a couple more things, we are welcome.

Speaker 1 7:41

I think she read between the lines there.

Speaker 2 7:43

Yeah So.

Speaker 1 7:46

I need to be here PA-12s.

Speaker 3 7:49

Yeah, i heard.

Speaker 1 7:49

PA-12s on Mac It's got the ridges.

Speaker 2 7:52

Is the corrugated That's considered corrugated.

Speaker 1 7:54

No, no, not PA-12s, those are fabric coverings. Yeah, those are fabric. That's a super cover.

Speaker 3 7:58

The PA-28 series has the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like dimples, are they? are they ups, are they down? are the innings are early?

Speaker 1 8:08

Early models were outies. Oh, okay and that's so. You can tell the difference a lot.

Speaker 3 8:13

I'm pretty sure these are any I'm pretty sure they're any.

Speaker 1 8:15

Yeah, late models, and not that late like only like three or four years into The Cherokee they went to the concave. Yeah, corrugation. I don't know why. Maybe it was a drag reducing thing, probably we are ever.

Speaker 2 8:29

You got to point this out to me at the airport.

Speaker 1 8:31

Yeah, i guess. I mean, do we have a picture of a? No, we don't know, i bet in here, we do I?

Speaker 3 8:38

Don't know if it'll be close up enough for you to see it.

Speaker 1 8:40

Oh, use your imagination.

Speaker 2 8:42

Anybody in the check I have.

Speaker 3 8:44

Services listed on eBay with close-up pictures Boris air partscom.

Speaker 2 8:51

Yes, email doesn't work, but messaging there. Yes.

Speaker 3 8:54

The only my, the only form of communication that I will talk to anybody on his eBay messages.

Speaker 2 8:59

Send the sun's got an eBay message, i mean, if it doesn't if it doesn't pertain to something I'm selling, i'm not responding pretend like you want to buy something And then don't, unless you need it. Yeah but, yeah, I just can't picture what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 3 9:14

I could show you.

Speaker 2 9:15

I tried to. I tried to read the thesis paper.

Speaker 1 9:19

So here's a 150 that's pretty.

Speaker 2 9:21

We tried to read it.

Speaker 1 9:22

Yeah, i see that, so I feel like a dead because I should write a long time ago when you first posted it, but then I didn't because it got you know type thing. He's sent to me today And I got interrupted a bunch of.

Speaker 2 9:35

It's how the how the sesnas have the ripple E flaps and ailerons.

Speaker 1 9:39

Is that what you're talking about? You're talking about thesis thing for her master's degree two conversations at once. I love it. I read multitasking.

Speaker 4 9:45

I definitely didn't write about Sashma and their yeah wiggly flaps. Yeah but that see see she got.

Speaker 1 9:53

See, she just got into the two conversations. I.

Speaker 2 9:57

See now the moment that was pointed out.

Speaker 3 9:59

Thing a quarter now think of the pipers.

Speaker 1 10:01

now, that's what it looks like on the inside. Yeah, we're gated.

Speaker 3 10:04

Yeah, it's core, all right. That ad cordation is not quite the same as cardboard, but it's made out of aluminum and not well.

Speaker 1 10:12

The spacing is wider.

Speaker 2 10:13

Yeah yeah, the cardboard is like somebody's grandfather invented that so Great uncle, actually great grandfather's brother.

Speaker 1 10:21

She got the shrimp divaner.

Speaker 3 10:23

Yeah, yeah, one of his brothers invented the shrimp divaner and the other one invented not cardboard, but the machine that makes cardboard, a machine that makes cardboard. So if you look up Google, the inventor of cardboard is not gonna be him.

Speaker 2 10:37

That's way less cool story.

Speaker 3 10:38

Yeah, I'm flying I was always told as a kid, did you ask everybody what they're drinking?

Speaker 1 10:43

yet or no, no, no It's hasn't been well received.

Speaker 2 10:48

five on there, No I got Eldra to 12 year going and coke Course yeah we're drinking course.

Speaker 1 10:54

What do you have? Barb? That's the most important question. What are you drinking course or out Barb? what is that?

Speaker 4 11:01

I'm drinking rum today, Oh wow, the spirit Nice. I know it is.

Speaker 1 11:08

What? what's the what? what is unique about this rum that you've picked it?

Speaker 4 11:13

It's kosher for Passover guys. Got you makes it very unique. Passover and I am. I know there are certain foods you can eat and you can't, and you can't eat. So it was either this or like fennel liquor. So we're going around tonight good for you.

Speaker 1 11:32

I like it. I've never seen that bottle before no, well, i didn't get a good tilted too, much drop.

Speaker 4 11:39

So I'd run.

Speaker 1 11:40

We're and is that readily available.

Speaker 4 11:43

Yeah, it is actually not to try it.

Speaker 2 11:46

I'll let you know if it's good Usually this is the first time you've tried it live. Taste test Yeah.

Speaker 4 11:52

Yeah. I usually I drink a different rum. It's called the kappa and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 11:56

Oh yeah, i'm the kappa 23 is one of my favorite speaking Rob's language here Yep.

Speaker 4 12:02

Nothing better than that one. This is, it's not bad. I mean, listen, it doesn't beat the kappa, but it's gonna. It's gonna work for us. Okay, it's gonna work today as it works, mm-hmm, i just wanted.

Speaker 2 12:15

I was gonna try to get some filler content. I don't know what Barb's background knowledge is uncorrigated.

Speaker 1 12:21

Anything a 12 or corrugated. We went to cardboard, so I certainly can't participate in the PA.

Speaker 4 12:28

I have zero background on corrugated anything.

Speaker 3 12:31

Yeah, you've probably used a cardboard box before.

Speaker 4 12:35

Amazon packages mainly my experience with a boiled potato chips. Oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 12:44

Extra leverage for getting. Yes, you say they are strong sour cream. And I close of the cardboard.

Speaker 1 12:51

They are less likely.

Speaker 2 12:53

What is the core.

Speaker 1 12:55

Corrigation yeah if you take a lay straight potato chip it's more likely to crack. Corrigated ruffles brand you know, scoop right in there. You can handle the load You. That's why they make the Cessna makes its control surfaces like that, so does Piper.

Speaker 2 13:09

We're reeling it in, we're reeling it in back to flying, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:13

So the corrugation adds strength to the structure without adding that much more weight, because you can also make the aluminum you're using twice as thick to net the same thing. Now you've added weight, though You've added strength without adding weight.

Speaker 3 13:29

Throughout my observations, it's much more likely to find a bent Cessna control surface than a bent Piper control surface. Really, pipers are the best. I come across a lot of bent.

Speaker 4 13:42

Because more people train in Cessnas than they do Pipers.

Speaker 3 13:46

It's possible. I don't know. I come across a lot of bent Cessna control surfaces. People are trying to do way more hardcore stuff in Cessnas.

Speaker 2 13:54

Probably More than so than Piper with the exception of the Super Cub type Pipers are obviously pretty hardcore.

Speaker 1 14:01

Pretty hardcore with archers and Cherokees.

Speaker 3 14:05

Yeah, but Lee doesn't even know his P8 number. Yeah, you got me confused.

Speaker 2 14:09

He got Ian's P8 wrong the other night It was rough.

Speaker 1 14:13

It was not rough then. I was too inebriated to even notice, and that may have played into it as well.

Speaker 3 14:17

He will go.

Speaker 1 14:18

But since then I woke up the next morning and was like I was talking about PA14 or PA16. What did I do?

Speaker 4 14:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:26

So I mean there's that, but like so, if you have a 19,000 hour 172 and a 19,000 hour Cherokee 140, what difference does it make? The two examples you're looking at one's got a bent this and this doesn't have a bent this.

Speaker 3 14:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:41

What does it matter with the fleet? wide statistics bear out. You'll find you'll come across a 10,000 hour Cherokee and a 10,000 hour 150, 172.

Speaker 3 14:50

Yeah, the 10,000 hour Cessna is going to have bent ailerons.

Speaker 1 14:54

But will the 10,000 hour Cherokee That was the those that we need we need stats on that type of stuff. If everybody's going to say it's because Cessna is the trainer of choice for everybody.

Speaker 2 15:04

You buy way more Cessna Guys. what if they were a?

Speaker 4 15:06

recall on Piper Wings for metal fatigue or something.

Speaker 3 15:12

That's the spar. That was a spar problem.

Speaker 1 15:13

Yeah Yeah, Embry Riddle. A nice shirt. By the way, They had an issue that the. Yeah, they were doing a check ride, So a dude in his examiner, student in their examiner. That's right, yeah, the the broke up in flight.

Speaker 3 15:30

And now there's mandatory inspections on Piper spars. It's cause they don't even have a strut Buzz it.

Speaker 2 15:38

While we're at it.

Speaker 3 15:38

The strut's missing. I have an announcement. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 15:41

Uh-oh, we're going to cover a lot of grounds. Yeah, fire away.

Speaker 4 15:45

Get. no, it's very important that I say this in the very beginning, because you mentioned my shirt and it's. it was a conscious choice And I think that that's what you get when you have females on the show, And I think it's very important to note that I'm the first female guest on the show.

Speaker 3 16:00

Yes.

Speaker 4 16:00

And that I know.

Speaker 2 16:02

I know, i know It's very important.

Speaker 4 16:03

We should discuss it because it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 16:06

I, we usually we try not to let women on cause you know a listener reached out We may have her on the show before I'm. Just she is an attorney And I said I can't cause. I promise Ian he'd be the first attorney and I promise Barb should be the first female.

Speaker 4 16:21

No, amazing.

Speaker 2 16:23

I'm so happy that we're both we could yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 16:26

We're so happy to have you, barb, we really are, it's fun.

Speaker 4 16:28

I'm so happy guys. It's good stuff.

Speaker 3 16:31

We're trying to we're trying to bump up our DEI numbers, so I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 16:37

I need a beer.

Speaker 4 16:39

Diversity, equity and inclusion. I'm very impressed Scott Boris Oh at Boris Cycle.

Speaker 3 16:44

We're a very, very DEI oriented.

Speaker 2 16:48

He does HR for his company.

Speaker 3 16:52

And DEI is our business model revolves around DEI.

Speaker 4 16:57

Yes, I'm sure it does. Nicole works for you, or?

Speaker 3 17:02

She does part time at my other job, so I guess we do have.

Speaker 2 17:06

One of the businesses.

Speaker 3 17:06

Not that way, though It counts It counts.

Speaker 4 17:09

So my first paper was on, you know, cockpit digitalization and all that. The other one was about DEI initiatives in the big three in Delta, United and American. So Excellent. That's how I know what DEI is.

Speaker 1 17:23

Well, we can do that on the next step. Next time you're on, next episode, you're on.

Speaker 4 17:27

We could, absolutely. You can read that one in advance too, and it'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 17:33

Did you put that one on pilot ground? I don't think so. Yeah, you can just sound to me.

Speaker 4 17:37

Also, the other one's easier to read. I'm going to tell you why this one's not as easy to read. Because I did it with a group of people who are way smarter than me who, like, did all the statistics and crunched all the numbers and stuff, and the DEI one I wrote myself, so it's legible.

Speaker 1 17:54

Love it. I like it better already. Yeah, i like it better already. You should have just used chat tpt.

Speaker 3 17:59

It's really good at DEI.

Speaker 2 18:02

Yeah.

Speaker 4 18:02

I know that.

Speaker 1 18:04

So let's bring this back to the, i guess the topic at hand with the automation one on human factors, when you're working with the other individuals on the paper, i mean was there because I know they're taking statistics, they're taking ASAP, asar reports and all these flow charts and charts and all the stuff And they're trying to put it into textual and everything else When you have, i don't, i wish we were alive, well, okay.

Speaker 1 18:38

So it's like why did you not have more of a part in saying, hey, this doesn't need to sound this sciencey, this doesn't need to sound like this, so that anybody could read it. What's wrong with?

Speaker 3 18:51

science.

Speaker 1 18:51

Well, because it's an important paper to write and it's an important topic to delve into, for sure, and the big three again, but millions, hundreds of millions of dollars into this topic.

Speaker 2 19:02

Could have been. Sponsoring the sorry podcast Could have been, i think, what we could do with that money And so like it's important that it's the subject matter is legible.

Speaker 1 19:13

Yeah, legible and able to be deciphered by the average person, I guess.

Speaker 2 19:20

So I guess where were?

Speaker 1 19:21

you in that process.

Speaker 4 19:24

So, first of all, you can start the story right now, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 19:27

You don't even have to answer my question, No.

Speaker 4 19:28

I can answer your question. I mean, I'm probably going to forget half of it as I talk.

Speaker 1 19:32

That's all I do, but I already forgot what I asked.

Research Paper Structure and Aviation Topics

Speaker 4 19:34

Exactly, forget it. You and me together would be a mess, like it was just okay. Um, a lot of talking. So for me, my role in this paper was the literature review, so I basically went through documents on cognitive overload, on digitalized flight decks, on human error, on human factors, on like all of those elements. I researched them and I summarize them.

Speaker 1 19:59

How many?

Speaker 4 20:00

of my area that produce.

Speaker 1 20:02

And so how many? so you like data collection? How would you describe that? If you had to boil that down, you're going to give yourself a title in the project. What would that title have been? It's not a collection, Okay.

Speaker 4 20:14

Data collection is the people who gathered all of the actual, like accident data And then like that, was that? So when you write a research paper like a scientific study.

Speaker 2 20:25

Did we start the episode? No, what's good? Fine, though This is great, i was going to say we should do this After we start the episode. This will be great to come out after the episode. I'm an amour. I'm an amour. Well, i'm saying like we're going into everything.

Speaker 3 20:36

You were supposed to go on the episode, but you didn't even start the episode.

Speaker 1 20:40

I need to get 20 minutes or something. I'm completely enamored and you just interrupted by Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:44

All right, well, we'll get the actual topic.

Speaker 4 20:48

Give me a few more sips and I'll just I'll be interrupting Scott We get the actual episode, topic All right, this is fine. Fine, you know afterwards.

Speaker 3 20:56

I'm going to get a beer or whatever.

Speaker 4 20:57

Get a beer, get a beer, got some, take a break, whatever. He's not listening. We could talk about him now if we really want to, it's true. It's true.

Speaker 1 21:04

He could hear our end, though That's the difference we have, because we're all in the same room now.

Speaker 4 21:08

So he'll hear our end of it, so I can say things You can, he won't hear them. Yeah, oh, i love that.

Speaker 1 21:12

Okay no-transcript.

Speaker 4 21:17

Okay. So when you in general, like when you write a scientific research paper, whether it's you're gathering qualitative data or quantitative data, it generally follows the same structure. So you have sort of an introduction like an abstract, and then you present like a hypothesis If it's, you know, if it's quantitative, there are like hypotheses and null hypotheses and it's like a whole thing and then You basically look at so what I did was something called the literature review, which is where you look at the research that's currently out there and you summarize it and you find a hole in that research, which is where yours is gonna fit. So like I needed to make sure that all the research on cognitive overload and and Human factors and things like that, like I needed to basically give the reader background on it. Then we went through like you go through like a method section where you discuss Like how you're going to specifically Tackle the research, which was that huge flow chart that you saw, and then after that you actually crunch the numbers and then you Summarize them and all of that.

Speaker 4 22:31

So I mean I can talk about like our findings, but I can't talk. I'm not like a statistics person. Yeah, not, um, so I can most of our art.

Speaker 4 22:43

Yeah, it's not for me.

Speaker 2 22:45

Yeah, um Whatever it's for me So.

Speaker 1 22:48

I Mean most people. I mean, I don't know that I'm a statistics person or not. I'm a numbers person, so maybe I know statistics as part of that, but I don't. I never took it in like high school or anything, so I don't really know.

Speaker 4 23:03

No, no, i was gonna say I was gonna say I figured with this episode we could take time to talk about how, because I've been through private pilot training and I have my AGI, so I know what it's like to be able, like to have to instruct people so that now they get their license and whatever.

Speaker 4 23:20

Like we never touched on Specifically with situational awareness is or like cognitive workload and overload or human factors like memory fatigue, ergonomics and how that goes into like the design of a cockpit or cognitive Distortions doesn't get, or I'm not cognitive search, i'm sorry, the singular illusions and things don't get touched till instrument, but it's, it's important to know, like for nighttime, for in general things like that. And so those were the areas that I researched from my paper. So even if we spent the time just discussing those things and like Helping gent, like GA pilots understand those things better, like I looked at them in the in the terms of commercial, commercial, because I got my graduate certificate in aeronautics and that was like what we covered, but it I think it's just a very, it's very interesting and pretty necessary for private pilots to know.

Speaker 4 24:12

Yeah, absolutely like you want to talk numbers, we can. But like we put it into an app and some B22 pilot handled it for us.

Speaker 3 24:23

So how long before I don't have to do anything?

Speaker 2 24:27

Let's let's wait till we get an episode for that. I'm trying to parse. What should we start? how should I introduce this episode? because you you've got a train of thought about to go right now. We can just jump off of that and see where it goes.

Speaker 4 24:40

But so I can say that train of thought or mine yours, yours Way, way better, i'm sure.

Speaker 3 24:47

My thought train is very focused or we can or we can kick it off like that.

Speaker 2 24:52

Scott can. Yeah, it's got. You can do the intro.

Speaker 3 24:55

I have a great train of thought.

Speaker 2 24:56

Why don't you do the intro and introduce? like a freight train first, first female Episode guest.

Speaker 4 25:03

No, i don't know I can't feed him anything. I want to hear what he's gonna say.

Speaker 3 25:07

I think she, i think she's introduced herself. Absolutely not, i'm not, i'm not good at this.

Speaker 2 25:16

I can say masters, right, that's what I do. I have okay. Oh, so I have to.

Speaker 4 25:21

I know it's it mean you could, but it's, it's a graduate certificate, it's called. I do have a masters in teaching literacy.

Speaker 1 25:29

Okay so oh Well, that plays into your role in the Research.

Speaker 4 25:36

Oh yeah, i know, no, not really the teaching literacy part, like I teach kids how to read, like that.

Speaker 1 25:45

and then the Scott I can read it's not, it's not the reading, it's the, it's the reading.

Speaker 2 25:51

and then Talking, talking out It's, it's the talking, it's hard.

Speaker 3 25:56

It's the visual to mouth thing that I like. If I'm just reading It's, i can read real quick, but you know.

Speaker 4 26:02

All right, it's the expressive language. I can cover it if you want.

Speaker 3 26:07

It's gonna wing it, cuz my brain is so big that it it can't really. If this doesn't work, the same as other people's brains, You know.

Speaker 2 26:15

That's why I started doing at the ENF.

Speaker 4 26:16

I just keep hitting it until like.

Speaker 3 26:20

You could just make a little clip of me talking about how big my brain is.

Speaker 4 26:26

Wait, I can't see the chat. Should I be able to?

Speaker 1 26:29

Nobody's in it. It might be nice, but it could be distracting. There's 12 people watching, nobody's active.

Speaker 2 26:34

Nobody's active in the chat, it's always just. You'd pull Yeah. I do know rebel comm slash far aim on your phone and then see it there, i'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 26:43

Yeah, my notes on my phone, the printer, the ink.

Speaker 1 26:45

I have to change it. I'm all jammed up. Get distracted. Just focus on us.

Speaker 2 26:49

You'll be in the game than we are All right. We knew that that was gonna happen, regardless of the situation, though, but