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The Right Stuff: Secrets of Successful Aviation and Debating the Conveyor Belt Take-off
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Do you have the nerves of steel required to become a successful aviator? Join us as we reveal the secrets of flying, risk perception, and how having the "right stuff" can make all the difference in the world of aviation. We explore the Colesman window, the "big lie" of private pilots, and why American pilots might be at a disadvantage.
We also tackle the controversial topics of aviation safety and detox plans, discussing the risks of flying cross-country with your family and the importance of experience and proficiency behind the controls. From unconventional ideas like men getting pregnant to practical advice on planning your flight, this episode is packed with fascinating insights and lively debates.
Lastly, we dive into the intriguing question of whether an airplane can take off on a conveyor belt. We explore the power-to-weight ratio of airplanes, the thrust and lift needed for take-off, and the effects of the conveyor belt on the forward motion of the plane. Join us as we debate the risks and practicality of this mind-bending idea, and discover the answers to some of the most pressing questions in aviation.
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Flying and Risk Perception
Speaker 1All right, just edit that music and make it actually goes out. I don't want to get yelled at.
Speaker 2Good call Dan. Wise man, wise man.
Speaker 3Okay, so you guys already know his idea.
Speaker 1So many things.
Speaker 2I'm pissed at everything right now.
Speaker 1I'm just mad at the world.
Speaker 2Except me, except you.
Speaker 1I said it. No well, i mean, i might wear dark clothes tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 2What's not a joke about things like that right now The climate is not the best for those sorts of things.
Speaker 1It's going to be warm tomorrow, isn't it? Oh shit, it's supposed to be 70 degrees here. Yeah, yeah, okay. Global global giant, climate change, or whatever they call it. So I keep changing the name of it. Okay.
Speaker 3Aviation Density, altitude. Let's talk about aviation.
Speaker 1The.
Speaker 2Colesman.
Speaker 1I just I remember it being very somewhat.
Speaker 2He didn't know what it was until you said it, what I was invented?
Speaker 1the Colesman window. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2I think you learned that on this podcast.
Speaker 1On the G1000 though.
Speaker 2I don't care, My point is. My point is It's not as intuitive.
Speaker 1Nothing is as intuitive As what A steam gauge with a nub You just turned it right 100%.
Speaker 2That's Barb's whole point. Yeah, what was your point?
Speaker 1Get a nub. The yachts are hard to drive. You got to know it. No, apparently they're super easy. I don't know why you make a yacht captain. They make more than you And apparently you can do it in your sleep, right, i guess.
Speaker 2It's specialized. We should. When you're American, though, you'd suck automatically.
Speaker 1You wouldn't even get hired.
Speaker 2Anyways.
Speaker 1I think It's somewhat sadly true in that industry.
Speaker 2Is it not specialized? Yes, it is Absolutely. They can't do what I do. I can't do what they do. Pretty confident in that statement. It doesn't mean the level of coolheadedness that you're talking about is indicative at all of the peril.
Speaker 1I think those types of guys can go, and If they chose either path, it'd be the same, though, if they learned how to fly.
Speaker 3There's a real term for this. It's called the right stuff. It's a real thing. It's a real movie and a real book. It is, i'm serious.
Speaker 1The right stuff.
Speaker 3I might have seen the movie.
Speaker 1I can't remember. I definitely didn't read the book.
Speaker 3Oh my God, it was a great book, but that's the whole thing is the nerves of steel You could, just the blood pressure. They didn't move. John Glenn was in the sky getting ready to burn up and his blood pressure was just. I was not born that way. I'll tell you that way.
Speaker 2I'm pretty high fricking strong, if you can't tell.
Speaker 3Oh, me too.
Speaker 1I used to be that way. I'm not really that way anymore, though I get freaked out about stuff. I used to just You seem super chill, scott, i'm pretty chill, but I used to be more chill. Yeah, i got older. I get older and now I think about things more Well, that's, yeah, i used to not think about things at all. Yeah, could be the acid reflux.
Speaker 2Let's get older dude, you think, you're, you're, you're. It's Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, like I used to not like in what you're bringing in. Thinking about like crashing and dying was like it just never happened. Now it's like now I get in the plane and it's like I think about these things.
Speaker 4Maslow's hierarchy.
Speaker 1Back then it was like it was, like it's like a video game you know.
Speaker 3You're indestructible. When you're a kid, you didn't even play video games. I didn't even play video games.
Speaker 1Yeah, i didn't play video games, maybe they can make out, they're more used to it, so they can Right, they can separate too, but back then it was just like I don't know. Maybe you can relate to that at all. Yeah, no, no, no For sure I've said on the show multiple times it's, it's weird that your risk inversion goes up the older you get Right.
Speaker 2Yeah, because it should be higher when you're younger because you have more years to live. And then you get older.
Speaker 1like you have less years to live, so you should be in your 70s and 80s.
Speaker 4Right, you should be like who cares, who cares?
Speaker 2but?
Speaker 1then you think about things more. Well, I think it does come back down a little bit. I think like it starts to peak, because I know older people that are like ah whatever Your dad, yeah Well, he's still. Your dad loosened up a lot more, i feel like now that he's gotten older. Yeah, like he went drinking with us when we were in.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, he definitely, he definitely, joey.
Speaker 1Buffett's. He definitely will drink more now that he is older, okay, but I don't know about anything else because he's still like, he doesn't like flying and stuff like that. He's not a risk. I wouldn't say he's a risk taker.
Speaker 3Okay, nothing about flying is risky. Don't want anybody.
Speaker 1Well, unless you're flying with me No, i'm just kidding Unless you're flying with, like, unless you're flying in conditions that you shouldn't be flying in, that can be risky, right.
Speaker 4You know, as a class statement Right?
Speaker 1So if it's, you know if there's clouds or something.
Speaker 4If.
Speaker 1Lee flying his conditions. Lee should be flying in and a Learjet's very different than if you and I were in a Learjet flying. Saying flying isn't risky is a little too broad because, like, there's plenty of idiot private pilots out there that are like, oh, i can do this, i'm a private pilot. and then the killer whole family, the king's called the big lie, which is you're more at risk of dying on your way to the airport than the actual. Well, it's true. It's true for the airlines.
Speaker 2Right, it's not true for general aviation. A little.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1It's similar to motorcycles.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1Like death, per whatever metric they use.
Speaker 2Yeah Like motor cycle territory is flying small planes.
Speaker 1I was talking to my dad about that because he was like talking about how Gandhi was going to get a plane and they were going to use the plane to go on vacations and stuff And I was like I just don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 4No, not at all, And he's like why not?
Speaker 1He's like they could just get like a Cherokee six or a anybody who's listening to the show a long time knows the guy.
Speaker 2The episodes will agree. Yeah, i think Yeah.
Aviation Safety and Detox Plans
Speaker 1And I just I said I just that's just not a good idea. I said that's like you. somebody who doesn't do it all the time should not be putting their family in a plane and flying cross country.
Speaker 3Yeah, It depends on the pilot. I mean, it depends on the pilot, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I just I still don't think that somebody who doesn't do it frequently should be doing it, and I've always asked you to do that.
Speaker 3I agree. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1I know, i know, i know, i know, i know, i just think you should have lots of experience and do it regularly before you're loading your family in a plane and flying across country. Yes, agree, like if you and I kept like flying how we used to do.
Speaker 2Right For the last decade and a half Yeah.
Speaker 1We'd probably be good to go take our families Right, but if I would have bought a Cherokee six right now and get checked out in it, i would not put my family in it and fly to Florida. What if you put a hundred hours a year on it, though?
Speaker 2Yeah, then maybe But God he's not doing those types of flights.
Speaker 1He's got to put a hundred hours a year on it. No, no, he has boats that he doesn't even use, like. Yeah, he has. He bought a set of like really nice jet skis and he used them once last year.
Speaker 3Yeah, he's that guy. Apparently, boats are more dangerous than airplanes that are.
Speaker 1He's the guy that has the money to buy the stuff but doesn't have the time to use it Or won't take the time to use it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2He has to be proficient.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah Right, he doesn't even care about it, like the guy said he was saying again.
Speaker 1That when it comes to airplanes so proficient.
Speaker 2These are what we're talking about Right.
Speaker 1That was my argument with him getting a six-seat airplane for him and his family going on vacation.
Speaker 2Bad idea. Bad idea, leave that Gandhi.
Speaker 1Terrible idea. Terrible idea. Yes, that is the situation where the family dies.
Speaker 2If everything is imperfect? yes, which is where we have to operate. Yeah, which is why you guys look at me now like I'm crazy and like what?
Speaker 1happened to Lee. But you know, but it's because I live in that world. A few years ago not well, maybe eight years ago I'd be like, yeah, get an airplane, whatever, take your family out. It would have been like it's fine. But now you're older and you think about it and it's like that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 3Getting old.
Speaker 4Getting old is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 1That's why I stopped aging a few years ago.
Speaker 4You turn 30 every year, don't you?
Speaker 1I do I still get ID'd everywhere. We're about to sign a skincare line as the new sponsor.
Speaker 4We're just trying to work our way up towards that.
Speaker 2I could use one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1I shouldn't say I get ID'd everywhere, but I do get ID'd frequently.
Speaker 3I don't need one. One time I didn't get ID'd I was super pregnant.
Speaker 1Well, there's been a lot of times when I haven't got ID'd, but it still happens. If I'm at a place that doesn't know me, it's probably more likely that I get ID'd than not ID'd, but how many times?
Speaker 2when you're pregnant, though? Well, i've been pregnant a few times, because men can get pregnant. That's why men have to.
Speaker 1But I miscarry it every time. It may have just been a really bad poop, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3I think we should just next Next.
Speaker 1I'm stuck on the.
Speaker 3You want to talk about this Being ID'd while pregnant. My favorite is when men think that going to the bathrooms like having a baby, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1It's the same thing Airplanes.
Speaker 2You don't have.
Speaker 3ID'd My favorite Airplanes.
Speaker 1Barb is such a good sport. What about going to the bathroom on an airplane? It can be terrible. My brother had diarrhea on an airplane once and he was Shut up Why? This has been a trend this whole.
Speaker 3Get him down here He ran down the aisle.
Speaker 1He was like need in labor You want to discuss. He ran down the aisle way screaming it's a shooting mass, the spirit flight No it's that and I'll ask. He was probably like seven or eight in his defense.
Speaker 3I need more for this conversation.
Speaker 2Clearly. Please Do what you need to do. that's what we do. You should see how antisocial we are when we're not drinking at all.
Speaker 1We don't drink at all. It's terrible, the worst episodes ever. I'm doing a detox and next time I'm up here recording.
Speaker 2I won't be able to drink.
Speaker 1That's going to be gay. Not that anything's wrong with being gay. Dei, yes, okay.
Speaker 3Rob, is that the first time you've done a detox on this? That's true, it's not, i know.
Speaker 1I've not drank for so long. This is going to be a multi-molto one. How much crap do I get if I'm like, oh, I'm not drinking this episode?
Speaker 3Oh, because, scott, you need it, if you were doing something and you were playing.
Speaker 1Planet. No, like, no like. I'm going to get wasted this weekend, but it's a Thursday so I'm not going to for the show.
Speaker 3That's what you're going to be off. I only buy enough for the weekend and then it doesn't last me. Well, I just run out. If you're like, I'm detoxed.
Speaker 1If like, hey, I'm doing a detox, i'm not going to be able to drink this, totally fine. Well, next time I'll phrase it properly. I'll say I'm doing a detox on Thursday. So that I can drink on Saturday.
Speaker 2I would say just plan differently. I think is the point we're trying to make. But I have a very strict schedule.
Speaker 1It's got to be like a month notice to not drink for podcast episodes.
Speaker 2And then we wouldn't schedule a podcast while you're doing that, and then we would you know if you guys want to do it podcast.
Speaker 1Okay, so next time you're up here, you're not drinking.
Speaker 2I can't No.
Speaker 1Let's Lee, let's just get blasted. Let's get so drunk that we can't even function, just to piss him off.
Speaker 3You know that would be very fun to listen to.
Speaker 1You know what the most irritating thing is the world is What is. it Is when you're trying to be sober and everybody else is drunk.
Speaker 3Yes, let's do that Especially, i feel like for Rob, because when we get derailed he gets very like no guys let's go back to the.
Speaker 1The show would be about going down aisle ways of spirit screaming in appropriate things It was a spirit We're flying.
Speaker 3It was like some like it was like something was
Speaker 2way back in the day. Spirit didn't even exist No. Another derail.
Speaker 1We were out at DC 10. If that tells you anything, when did?
Speaker 2they stop flying.
Speaker 1I have no idea. It was a DC 10 going into Jamaica and he was running down the aisle way yelling it's a mess Oh boy Barbara, what are you saying? I don't know I completely forgot about what we're attempting to even talk.
Speaker 2I'm the only one taking notes and my notes are terrible. We need to stop doing that. We got 15 minutes to talk.
Speaker 4Nobody takes so much. I know What do you got Barbara College. I need some We can talk.
Speaker 1Barbara college, i told you I need something like 15 minutes of stuff So I can make a segment and actually have a title other than it's a mess.
Speaker 2I always as the podcast title and bonus clip, but we'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
Speaker 1Thank you, It's oh yeah.
Speaker 2In 15 minutes. We have 15 minutes. Got a big clock right over there. Buddy, we're on the same schedule this time.
Speaker 1Yeah, so I got you all right, and I just don't want to walk it out.
Speaker 3I like either. Oh, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2And nine minutes and one second kind of busy day tomorrow.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know dude, i got to pack up a you-haul.
Speaker 2I got to pack this rig up. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna take off. You can start that at 10 am.
Speaker 1I've got to edit the last disaster from Thursday.
Speaker 2You haven't started anything like that I did, i've like halfway done. It's a lot. It should have worked harder.
Speaker 1You complete wreck. What We were shelving today It was I hit?
Speaker 2maybe Barbara wants to talk about something. I knew that, i knew that.
Speaker 1Why.
Speaker 2I leave my friends on.
Speaker 1No, I know everything.
Speaker 2I want to talk to Barbara.
Speaker 1I have eyes everywhere. Okay, no, allison said she thought.
Speaker 4I thought I saw her.
Speaker 2Really helpful filler content You're so critical of a second ago, barbara want to talk about boats.
Speaker 3He could talk about both.
Speaker 1Yeah, yes, he could. The safest industry to be in. No, no, it's possible to die, apparently not When that one engine fails possible with 13 people to help you.
Speaker 2It is, oh my god, i'm Rick Eddin.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, the 13 people to help, that does a lot of good.
Speaker 3Better than one more person.
Speaker 2Yeah, exactly Rob. You got enough people that could just push you off the other boat.
Speaker 4No, you can't.
Speaker 2It's closer than one person.
Speaker 3Flying is something that weighs basically the same amount, and If they're focused on something, then you can't be, then you need to be looking out the window, but you have 12 other people to be doing other things for you idolize Australians.
Speaker 2I think is the issue.
Speaker 1Wrong region.
Speaker 2You're okay Europeans well, no, he said he's not. He's not Chinese. New Zealand, new Zealand.
Speaker 3Oh, that's South Africa, it's a good guess 50% of yachting is South Africans.
Speaker 2Okay, they drive which? which side of the road do they drive on?
Speaker 1the left side.
Speaker 2Okay, so that's right side drive the correct right side drive, right side drive, so that's like Japan, india.
Speaker 1It's right and wrong. There's no, not left and right. Do they drive on the right?
Speaker 3The wrong St Lucia.
Speaker 1St Lucia is the same Yeah.
Speaker 2Well, I mean, it's the Bahamas.
Speaker 1India.
Speaker 2Oh, oh, it could be, could be Ireland.
Speaker 1We got sidetracked. Earlier I had a go ahead. What we're talking about?
Speaker 2I'm not sure, i don't know. No, she said you want to talk about boats. She said you want to talk about statistics on general aviation.
Speaker 1The danger you said it's similar to like a motor like a motorcycle Is that that's accurate. That's what the John and Martha King said, yeah, which is more So.
Maglev Train Risk Assessment Discussion
Speaker 3I want to say something. I don't know how accurate this is, but Maybe you know, like when you're driving and there are a lot of other cars in proximity to you and it's like, yeah, i'm worried, i'm not worried about myself, i'm worried about the other guy like maybe Flying a plane is different because there aren't always planes in proximity to you and you could like veer off for a minute. So it really does depend on the pilot.
Speaker 1You can literally. It's a lot easier to check text messages while in route versus a car. Text and fly all the time you can say your driving's kind of there's the long periods of time. We don't have to have as much focus required You should, but it's the stakes I feel like are lower than if you're on a highway going 70 miles.
Speaker 2Yeah, if I'm gonna take our lower, if I'm in a plane and I'm just sure, which doesn't necessarily, isn't necessarily a positive Benefit. I didn't.
Speaker 1I didn't know if I worded that wrong because I that was correct. I didn't wanna correct.
Speaker 2I don't want to start another, but if our ability to assess risk is not does not have a great track record as human beings.
Speaker 3Oh, absolutely risk management and assessment is a whole thing.
Speaker 1It's a whole thing do an episode on that.
Speaker 2Yeah, we kind of probably just had the opportunity. But the best ideas we have not just they're never gonna, they're never gonna land the way we think they will, because the way We all think so. But yeah so risk risk assessment To threats and errors, we just we don't, we don't get it, we don't get it. So the one time, nine times out of ten text while you fly, whatever You got the emergency, the thunderstorm, the icing that you didn't expect, the engine failure, whatever disaster disaster.
Speaker 1What's the heaviest airplane? Well, the Russians have blew it up. So what's the second heaviest airplane? What the second one is? Second heaviest one is now the strato launch. It's, uh, that, how much is it way? how many tons, i don't know but they use it to launch Rockets into space. It was a Microsoft guy. He's dead now, but he built this thing. It's got like it's got six of Whatever engine they had on 747. It's like two 747 wings put together And then it has like they launched a rocket from a plane.
Speaker 1Yeah, The strato launch. They can launch satellites with it and stuff. I don't know. I think the best idea. Which has the heaviest gross weight. I don't know what is empty, but it's the. That's what we want. Yeah, gross weight. Gross weight max takeoff weight or whatever, is the heaviest in the world. It's a. It's called the strato launch. It's somewhere out west. They launched satellites with it. I don't know what. I got six engines on it.
Speaker 2The wingspan is ridiculous.
Speaker 4What do you?
Speaker 3want to know Lee Well what I want to know is why the thanks Bob?
Speaker 2Why don't we take and make like a maglev, like a magnetic levitation, just high speed trains and wherever, all over Japan, china, i'm sure they're bullet trains.
Speaker 3It's a. Thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, bullet trains, but I wanted, i want to make sure that we're using the right technology, which is why I'm saying mag. I don't want to sign necessarily an arbitrary number to how fast they go, because I don't know, but I want to make sure we're using this technology because I think it'll be most efficient. Why don't we get spaceships up to like 300 knots on a maglev 12 mile long maglev train and get them started and then Then hit the jets and go? Would that be more efficient than going?
Speaker 4for what's the point? Why 300 knots?
Speaker 1You can't have bleachers on that.
Speaker 2Well, that's also true. So you're not starting from zero, wouldn't that take a while? The way that you're explaining it, it's your horizontal.
Speaker 1I looked this up before I looked up this question. Well, at the end it can be like a launch ramp.
Speaker 2I don't know where the train goes per se Once it launches. I looked.
Speaker 1I literally looked this up before because I had the same idea in my head.
Speaker 3Maybe it needs a little bit of a plan for them.
Speaker 1There was a reason why it doesn't make sense, and I can't remember what it was. Well, it needs a little bit of wings.
Speaker 2So like, let's say, we use the space shuttle as kind of somewhat of a template. Just give that some bigger engines and more fuel, launch it horizontally. Top-throttle dragster.
Speaker 1Yeah, basically yeah or no, maybe the ramp.
Speaker 2Maybe the way that it is aligned on the thing has like a little bit of the thing as you approach the critical speed turns up like the top.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's. They couldn't even figure that out, though They closed that.
Speaker 3Let me ask you a question Is this worth it or like? is this one of those? can an airplane take off on a conveyor belt, things?
Speaker 2This is awesome. It gets such a big argument over that.
Speaker 1The airplane can definitely take off on a conveyor belt, because the wheels are just.
Speaker 3Absolutely it cannot, scott Boris, is it can, the wheels would just spin faster and the plane would move forward.
Speaker 1Stop it, stop it right now.
Speaker 3Do you have the?
Speaker 2brakes on How well lubricated is. Are the wheels? As long as you have, as long as you have good wheel bearings, it's going to take off.
Speaker 1Let's say they're abec 5 No.
Speaker 2Rollerblades.
Speaker 1Yes, do you have good wheel bearings? because if you do, it's going to take off.
Speaker 2So what if the wheel, if the conveyor belt was moving? would the things stay stationary, right? What thing? The airplane. The wheel bearings are turning on the airplane, while the convertible is rolling.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's like a treadmill.
Speaker 2Yeah, so does the airplane say stationary or does it go with the treadmill?
Speaker 1Yes, Why would it go with the treadmill? It has wheel bearings.
Speaker 2So you're agreeing with Barb then?
Speaker 1No, we don't agree No we don't agree, it would take off. Of course it would take off.
Speaker 3It would not take off.
Speaker 1You're saying it would travel with the. It would travel against the treadmill because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2Which would be stationary? No, it would move forward, yes, it would.
Speaker 1Oh my God, you guys are very good.
Speaker 4You guys are very good, If you're No.
Speaker 3Scott, stop it right now. If you're walking up a down escalator, are you moving?
Speaker 1I'm not being powered by thrust, i'm being powered by my legs. Which are your thrusts? Which?
Speaker 2are your thrusts, if your?
Speaker 1thrust is not dependent on what's attached to the ground, then you're going to move forward.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4No, exactly No, you're going to move forward.
Speaker 1If, instead of legs, you just had a shape of a circle of stair things? so you?
Speaker 3could have a wheel going up and down the escalator Against a conveyor belt.
Speaker 1The wheels are going to be spinning faster, but the plane is going to be moving forward at the same speed it normally would be No, it depends.
Speaker 2It would take a lot more takeoff run. All you're simulating is a high-density altitude, low performance thrust, low performance, everything else.
Speaker 1As long as you're wheel bearing. You just made that a lot more Watch, watch watch.
Speaker 2This won't be a perfect simulation Wheel conveyor belt. This won't be great. It's going to suck, it's not going to prove anything. It's not going to work. It's not going to prove anything. But I want, can't you?
Speaker 1Do you want to grab the?
Speaker 3treadmill. No, i'm sorry, am I the only one? who knows that this is not going to take off.
Speaker 2No Well, how long will it take? We don't know the excess amount of thrust you're talking about.
Speaker 3You can be a rubber band propeller, balsa wood train, you can have as much thrust as you want. No, no, no, it's not a thrust that takes off an airplane No no, no.
Speaker 2Have you ever heard of Saturn 5? Yeah, it needs no takeoff run, right Yeah. So, I understand. I'm on your side.
Speaker 3Bart, that's a rocket ship. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2Power to weight ratio. What else is there? I don't know what else. The?
Speaker 3thrust is literally going back, not down. The thrust is going backwards.
Speaker 2Yes, but remember that propeller puts some artificial air flow across the airfoil.
Speaker 3Not enough.
Speaker 2You don't know, we have not isolated all those variables. For the most part, you take a production airplane and you size it right.
Speaker 1Yes, i agree with you Can a 747 take off on a conveyor belt? That's what they always post No. It's a practical answer.
Speaker 2Hold on, i did not know this was a thing. So am I? Don't pay me in a freaking quarter of a million.
Speaker 1Oh, there's like Can a 747 take off on a conveyor belt. The practical answer is yes A 747 engine produce a quarter of a million pounds of thrust. Each pound of thrust is powerful enough to launch a bronchosaurus straight up.
Speaker 4What kind of force?
Speaker 1No matter what is happening on the treadmill and wheels. The plane is going to move forward and take off, yes, bam.
Speaker 2But we already established a power weight ratio.
Speaker 1It's the same thing if it was like you were on an icy lake and just locked up the parking brake and hit the thrusters. It's still going to take off. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4Yes, that's why I tried to isolate beforehand.
Speaker 1Where's the lift From the forward motion? From the forward motion, The wind. What forward? So you assuming that the air? are you in a vacuum? or something Like what do you? No, you're not moving forward.
Speaker 2You're going to move forward? Yes, you are.
Speaker 1You are moving forward. That was Google. I'll do a chat to be teased first. The conveyor belt is only moving a direction at a certain speed.
Speaker 2So if you have a thrust whatever you want to call it that exceeds, that It's a treadmill Right.
Treadmill Takeoff and Cockpit Etiquette
Speaker 1Okay, it must be overwhelmed right now, okay. All of our audience watching live chat gpc right now.
Speaker 3You're saying if you have enough thrust to go faster than the treadmill is going backwards, you're going to take off. It doesn't matter how fast. the rest of the time It's going to drive off the treadmill and at that point you're taking off on the ground.
Speaker 4The wheels are going to take off The wheels are just going to just spin out of control.
Speaker 1Because, in theory, the treadmill is always just going to match the wheel speed. I believe in every time this question came up, but it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2So you're Hold on, hold on. You're trying to say, as if the wheel speed always matches the treadmill speed. So you're trying to say, if something's.
Speaker 3Yeah, because if it doesn't, then it drives off the treadmill.
Speaker 2Yeah, which is Ford motion which creates lift.
Speaker 3Yeah, at that point you're not taking off a treadmill, you're taking off the ground because you drove off the treadmill.
Speaker 2How long is the treadmill? I'm talking an infinite treadmill. I don't know. I'm talking.
Speaker 1They always, I believe they always in the example, always. It's a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 2It would have to be a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 3I mean how long It would have to be way longer than a runway Mathematically. think about it.
Speaker 2You would need Everybody's disputing that. All you are is simulating a low, that same airfoil at a high density altitude.
Speaker 1You have chat GPT on your phone. That's all you're doing.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's going to be a higher ground speed. Okay, i don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3I thought we were on a treadmill. That ended.
Speaker 4At when?
Speaker 3At when, i don't know, that's why I assumed we were driving off the treadmill. And then you're taking off.
Speaker 2Yeah, treadmills are typically only like four or five feet long.
Speaker 1The examples I've heard of. It's an unlimited length treadmill.
Speaker 2Well, it has to be. I think it's why we've been talking about it. If it's a normal treadmill, it's five feet long and a 740-tonne is going to take off it. Obviously it doesn't work. We crushed the treadmill. We're out of the gate.
Speaker 1It's pellet time making a treadmill. Yes, that is exactly.
Speaker 2They do tread, tread. We'd crush the treadmill.
Speaker 3And the Brontosaurus, and the Brontosaurus. What a terrible metric Brontosaurus.
Speaker 2Hold on, i know. First off, we have to genetically engineer the Brontosaurus And that's going to take 20-something out of yours, probably, for it to grow to maturity.
Speaker 1Oh, it's 9 o'clock out of here, is it really? Yes, you got to shut it down. Barb, thank you so much, thank you so much, no problem, good job everybody.
Speaker 2Yes, everybody especially Scott, especially Barb. Good job myself, Good job, Good job Scott.
Speaker 1I did everything great. Yep, i did so great, broke them all. Everything great.
Speaker 2And this as soon as we get on, of course. Scott Stuck continues talking Like American World War.
Speaker 1This is like 3, 2, 1. Okay, 3, 2, 1, man Intro back in. Well, I'm going to go back to the beginning. We'll cut intro back in.
Speaker 2Bathroom break or anything. Yeah, we'll do bathroom. We'll do five minutes. We think of something just like when's your birthday? Oh, what's your social security?
Speaker 1number two What's your account and routing number? I want to see if it's the same as mine. Yeah. Similar The routing is the first one. The account's the second one Okay. You're going to go first. Scott that file, All right.
Speaker 2No, yeah, So yeah, there's just so much like oh, I want to understand it And I'm like I'm in the mode of extracting information out of you now Like I want to know, Like because I've been there. I stopped guys. Dude, this is stop. Like you just yell it Like you don't. like there's no, there's no professionals anymore. Like you're in a car, it's like stop. Like you put your hand out and you're like, stop, like you're going to stop them from walking across the street, even though they're driving an airplane.
Speaker 2Yeah, just put your hand out, stop. You know that's crazy Like when the CFI went shush.
Speaker 3Yeah, i got it. I got shushed, just like that.
Speaker 1So is it an adjustment, doing that from like CFI, or using your left hand, and then you work with the captain and you're using your right? I guess you have that first officer transition where you're not doing it.
Speaker 2So I guess, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1Have you literally done that in the plane where you?
Speaker 2put your arm out.
Speaker 1Why don't you just get on the controls on your side in that situation?
Speaker 2Because my feet are flat on the floor, because I trust the guys I fly with.
Speaker 4Well, then sound like That's the dip.
Speaker 2Well if they do something stupid, i like I tell them to stop, like I'm saying that I did. If they keep going, i will get on the controls, Okay.
Speaker 4I was just curious.
Speaker 2Well, you don't. So here's the thing You don't want to undermine. You don't want them to second guess your trust in them.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2You don't want to have communications, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 3You don't want any communication breakdown in the future. You want to talk CRM. We could talk CRM all day.
Speaker 2We could talk CRM all day. That's right. Crm, crt, we're all into it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, crm is a big one And like a lot of that. I think not CRM, but it's like cockpit etiquette And just there's. There's like don't go press a button if you're not going to tell me what you're doing.
Speaker 2Yeah, that is super important, you're you just don't want to do anything to erode any trust between the two of you. It's just the two of you that have to manage worst case scenario and best case scenario, so it's like you don't want to do anything from the get. Go to think there is a disproportionate of power or anything like that, like we're both equally qualified in the airplane. The only thing that may matter is maybe seniority with the company. Other than that proficiency level is the same, everybody's the same is the way I like to think about it, and so what I do like and I'm very conscious of it when I'm flying with a guy I don't. My hands are flat, like they're not anywhere near the controls, my feet are flat on the floor. I'm not riding along with them in any sense.
Speaker 1When you're flying with a guy. What if you're flying with a female that you're ready to take over any second.
Speaker 2Then I don't want to fly, then I don't want to fly.
Speaker 1Okay, No, no, no Yeah that's dangerous.
Speaker 2Why would you? I want to get there.
Speaker 1Yeah, when Lee has a female, you can't see him. I don't know if you can see my hands.
Speaker 2When.
Speaker 1Lee has a female student. he's like this the whole time, Just ready to grab the controls.
Speaker 2I don't take female students. That's where you're wrong. I just don't take them. Just don't take them.
Speaker 1Yeah, you all. You failed the pre-screen, the pre-screen.
Speaker 2Without first box. you had to check.
Speaker 3You failed You failed the pre-screening Male, female no no, not happening Yeah.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah. So I try to really make sure that it's bicameral. You know what I mean. It's an equally shared responsibility, it's an equally shared proficiency thing, so that they feel at ease to make some of their own decisions and whatever, not feel like there's training wheels on or anything like that. So I try to go out of my way. That's really annoying.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's really annoying.
Speaker 2I always got to turn it off upstairs.
Speaker 1The noise I don't hear anything. Ding, ding, ding, whatever.
Speaker 2No, it's not, It's still going No, it's over here.
Speaker 4You got to use that mouse there that I could probably reach. Hit this miss over here.
Speaker 1There you go.
Speaker 4It's gone now. It's gone now.
Speaker 2You should have listened to the annoyance beforehand. What's? you doing with that cube over there, lee, i don't know, I just got this 30 seconds ago You already fixed it, yeah. It was sitting here when.
Speaker 1I was here. Oh okay, I thought you were going to like do a demonstration with it.
Speaker 2Yeah, so cubes fly.
Speaker 1Yeah, apparently they do these days. Balloons Yeah, they're just the aliens.
Speaker 2Yeah, oh cute, it's the most aerodynamic shape.
Speaker 1Yeah, but anyways, i mean, the aliens are probably using automated systems, don't you think? You don't?
Speaker 3think they're still flying it by hand, are they? Oh no, they're definitely flying it by hand, You think?
Speaker 1so Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2They got 10 hands in two brains, that's true.
Speaker 1But don't you think they'd just be smart enough to make the system do what it wants? No, they make the slits.
Speaker 3I don't think so. They weren't smart enough to keep that balloon high enough. I mean, we saw it. We let it sit there for days.
Speaker 1Yeah. You know, Well, that's so Yeah.
Speaker 2Definitely not smart enough. Which one, which one are you talking about?
Speaker 1Yeah, For a second there. I thought it might be being a little bit what's the a little bit racist for calling the Chinese aliens. What are we? how did it go here? You just walk away. I could fill up one drink upstairs.
Speaker 4So we have been.
Speaker 1Bob's referring to Asian people as aliens and it's kind of offensive to be, honest.
Speaker 2Especially the women. Eight watching, seven watching now, so they're drinking, going down Jack Clarky 20. We're totally like, more than ever, we're like all on the, the guests. So just want to say hey, tyler and Jack, and D Freed I don't know who D Freed is, oh, dan Friedman, dan Friedman.
Speaker 1I'd assume so.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, it was good, just putting that together, we were all good.
Speaker 3Guess what It was recording using the AirPod microphones the whole time.
Speaker 1He probably.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, i sent you a mic, i just switched it.
Speaker 1I didn't even see the mic, so Yeah, cause it's here.
Speaker 3Oh wow, but um, i wish I would've known that it was right there.
Speaker 2I could've told you that this whole time.
Speaker 1You're definitely not close enough to it. You're definitely not close enough to it.
Speaker 2I haven't seen the last episodes.
Speaker 1You have to put your face on the microphone Just in it.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that was better, maybe.
Speaker 1Tap on it.
Speaker 3Oh yeah it's coming through the mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good It is now, because I had it switched. I switched it. Cool, cool Kids these days.
Speaker 1Well, it seemed.
Speaker 3I told you. I told you Automation and technology.
Speaker 2The divisiton of the flight deck. That's why we need to replace all humans. I'm sure that's well on the way, just ask.
Speaker 1AI. All right no need for humans.
Speaker 3So I'll leave this in front of my face. We did discuss Is that better?
Speaker 1The sound quality is better.
Speaker 2Much better. Oh sorry, It's all right, We've all been there. You've seen the show Jesus Yeah.
Speaker 3Right, that's true.
Speaker 2Hey, you're not supposed to agree with this, just kidding You guys.
Speaker 3it's very professional. Yeah, that's a reputation. Thank you for noticing.
Speaker 1My goal is for people to say, wow, scott's so professional. Yeah, that's the mark, scott wants to leave on aviation.
Speaker 3Scott is so professional You know he knew 7600.
Speaker 2I did So, i think he can just get up and walk.
Speaker 4He knows more than he lets on.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically a genius, but I don't want to get kidnapped.
Speaker 2You can't give him anything, because then he does that shit.
Speaker 1I'm basically a genius. No, it's OK, i'm basically a genius, but I don't want to get kidnapped by the CIA and then they'll make me do stuff for them.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1So I just pretend to be an idiot? Yeah, that's the only reason he's still with us.
Speaker 3I've actually put him on the spot more I will. What, If you need me to put you on the spot more I?
Speaker 1will OK what I've actually.
Speaker 2Let's not do too much of that. I think I'm actually out.
Speaker 1I've actually outsmarted the government by pretending that I'm not smart. Because, they'll kidnap me and make me do stuff for them. Yep, yep, all right. Um, on that amazing note.
Speaker 2I just picture like a dog on a beach ball for a treat. That's all that picture A what A dog like balancing on a beach ball for a treat. Why, i don't know.
Speaker 1I picture like oh, the government's going to make me do stuff for them, like me doing tricks? OK, barb, do you need a break real quick? Are you good right now? Just start.
Speaker 4I'm good OK.
Speaker 1We ready? Can we pick up where this conversation left? off Probably not, it's not going to make sense unless I start an episode. All right, i really liked where that was going. I had more I wanted to say on the topic. We'll get out of your system for like a couple minutes. I got the idea for that. There was this guy that was like not right in the head, that used to come by the motorcycle shop all the time And he literally told us that he was V Max.
Speaker 1No, it wasn't him. Ok, it was an old guy, though, and he was like kind of off. But he told us that he was so smart that they studied him when he was in school and that the CIA like took him and the government took him and they like studied his brain to try to figure out how his brain works, all this stuff. I don't think he was telling the truth.
Speaker 3That sounds like. Definitely not true.
Speaker 1A lot of older guys out there. I wouldn't say a lot, but that's not completely out of the realm of who I'd assume would be at a time So after he said that told that story and I realized how smart I was. I was like I better, i better dumb myself down, i need to be worried. Yeah, because I was like if they came for him, they're definitely coming for me.
Speaker 2Yeah, And even with this tinfoil hat more often Yeah.
Speaker 1It's more like I'm using this as a joke for the rest of my life, when it comes up.