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The Right Stuff: Secrets of Successful Aviation and Debating the Conveyor Belt Take-off
Do you have the nerves of steel required to become a successful aviator? Join us as we reveal the secrets of flying, risk perception, and how having the "right stuff" can make all the difference in the world of aviation. We explore the Colesman window, the "big lie" of private pilots, and why American pilots might be at a disadvantage.
We also tackle the controversial topics of aviation safety and detox plans, discussing the risks of flying cross-country with your family and the importance of experience and proficiency behind the controls. From unconventional ideas like men getting pregnant to practical advice on planning your flight, this episode is packed with fascinating insights and lively debates.
Lastly, we dive into the intriguing question of whether an airplane can take off on a conveyor belt. We explore the power-to-weight ratio of airplanes, the thrust and lift needed for take-off, and the effects of the conveyor belt on the forward motion of the plane. Join us as we debate the risks and practicality of this mind-bending idea, and discover the answers to some of the most pressing questions in aviation.
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Speaker 2:Good call Dan. Wise man, wise man.
Speaker 3:Okay, so you guys already know his idea.
Speaker 1:So many things.
Speaker 2:I'm pissed at everything right now.
Speaker 1:I'm just mad at the world.
Speaker 2:Except me, except you.
Speaker 1:I said it. No well, i mean, i might wear dark clothes tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 2:What's not a joke about things like that right now The climate is not the best for those sorts of things.
Speaker 1:It's going to be warm tomorrow, isn't it? Oh shit, it's supposed to be 70 degrees here. Yeah, yeah, okay. Global global giant, climate change, or whatever they call it. So I keep changing the name of it. Okay.
Speaker 3:Aviation Density, altitude. Let's talk about aviation.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 2:Colesman.
Speaker 1:I just I remember it being very somewhat.
Speaker 2:He didn't know what it was until you said it, what I was invented?
Speaker 1:the Colesman window. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I think you learned that on this podcast.
Speaker 1:On the G1000 though.
Speaker 2:I don't care, My point is. My point is It's not as intuitive.
Speaker 1:Nothing is as intuitive As what A steam gauge with a nub You just turned it right 100%.
Speaker 2:That's Barb's whole point. Yeah, what was your point?
Speaker 1:Get a nub. The yachts are hard to drive. You got to know it. No, apparently they're super easy. I don't know why you make a yacht captain. They make more than you And apparently you can do it in your sleep, right, i guess.
Speaker 2:It's specialized. We should. When you're American, though, you'd suck automatically.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't even get hired.
Speaker 2:Anyways.
Speaker 1:I think It's somewhat sadly true in that industry.
Speaker 2:Is it not specialized? Yes, it is Absolutely. They can't do what I do. I can't do what they do. Pretty confident in that statement. It doesn't mean the level of coolheadedness that you're talking about is indicative at all of the peril.
Speaker 1:I think those types of guys can go, and If they chose either path, it'd be the same, though, if they learned how to fly.
Speaker 3:There's a real term for this. It's called the right stuff. It's a real thing. It's a real movie and a real book. It is, i'm serious.
Speaker 1:The right stuff.
Speaker 3:I might have seen the movie.
Speaker 1:I can't remember. I definitely didn't read the book.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, it was a great book, but that's the whole thing is the nerves of steel You could, just the blood pressure. They didn't move. John Glenn was in the sky getting ready to burn up and his blood pressure was just. I was not born that way. I'll tell you that way.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty high fricking strong, if you can't tell.
Speaker 3:Oh, me too.
Speaker 1:I used to be that way. I'm not really that way anymore, though I get freaked out about stuff. I used to just You seem super chill, scott, i'm pretty chill, but I used to be more chill. Yeah, i got older. I get older and now I think about things more Well, that's, yeah, i used to not think about things at all. Yeah, could be the acid reflux.
Speaker 2:Let's get older dude, you think, you're, you're, you're. It's Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I used to not like in what you're bringing in. Thinking about like crashing and dying was like it just never happened. Now it's like now I get in the plane and it's like I think about these things.
Speaker 4:Maslow's hierarchy.
Speaker 1:Back then it was like it was, like it's like a video game you know.
Speaker 3:You're indestructible. When you're a kid, you didn't even play video games. I didn't even play video games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i didn't play video games, maybe they can make out, they're more used to it, so they can Right, they can separate too, but back then it was just like I don't know. Maybe you can relate to that at all. Yeah, no, no, no For sure I've said on the show multiple times it's, it's weird that your risk inversion goes up the older you get Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it should be higher when you're younger because you have more years to live. And then you get older.
Speaker 1:like you have less years to live, so you should be in your 70s and 80s.
Speaker 4:Right, you should be like who cares, who cares?
Speaker 2:but?
Speaker 1:then you think about things more. Well, I think it does come back down a little bit. I think like it starts to peak, because I know older people that are like ah whatever Your dad, yeah Well, he's still. Your dad loosened up a lot more, i feel like now that he's gotten older. Yeah, like he went drinking with us when we were in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, he definitely, he definitely, joey.
Speaker 1:Buffett's. He definitely will drink more now that he is older, okay, but I don't know about anything else because he's still like, he doesn't like flying and stuff like that. He's not a risk. I wouldn't say he's a risk taker.
Speaker 3:Okay, nothing about flying is risky. Don't want anybody.
Speaker 1:Well, unless you're flying with me No, i'm just kidding Unless you're flying with, like, unless you're flying in conditions that you shouldn't be flying in, that can be risky, right.
Speaker 4:You know, as a class statement Right?
Speaker 1:So if it's, you know if there's clouds or something.
Speaker 4:If.
Speaker 1:Lee flying his conditions. Lee should be flying in and a Learjet's very different than if you and I were in a Learjet flying. Saying flying isn't risky is a little too broad because, like, there's plenty of idiot private pilots out there that are like, oh, i can do this, i'm a private pilot. and then the killer whole family, the king's called the big lie, which is you're more at risk of dying on your way to the airport than the actual. Well, it's true. It's true for the airlines.
Speaker 2:Right, it's not true for general aviation. A little.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's similar to motorcycles.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like death, per whatever metric they use.
Speaker 2:Yeah Like motor cycle territory is flying small planes.
Speaker 1:I was talking to my dad about that because he was like talking about how Gandhi was going to get a plane and they were going to use the plane to go on vacations and stuff And I was like I just don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 4:No, not at all, And he's like why not?
Speaker 1:He's like they could just get like a Cherokee six or a anybody who's listening to the show a long time knows the guy.
Speaker 2:The episodes will agree. Yeah, i think Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just I said I just that's just not a good idea. I said that's like you. somebody who doesn't do it all the time should not be putting their family in a plane and flying cross country.
Speaker 3:Yeah, It depends on the pilot. I mean, it depends on the pilot, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I just I still don't think that somebody who doesn't do it frequently should be doing it, and I've always asked you to do that.
Speaker 3:I agree. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1:I know, i know, i know, i know, i know, i just think you should have lots of experience and do it regularly before you're loading your family in a plane and flying across country. Yes, agree, like if you and I kept like flying how we used to do.
Speaker 2:Right For the last decade and a half Yeah.
Speaker 1:We'd probably be good to go take our families Right, but if I would have bought a Cherokee six right now and get checked out in it, i would not put my family in it and fly to Florida. What if you put a hundred hours a year on it, though?
Speaker 2:Yeah, then maybe But God he's not doing those types of flights.
Speaker 1:He's got to put a hundred hours a year on it. No, no, he has boats that he doesn't even use, like. Yeah, he has. He bought a set of like really nice jet skis and he used them once last year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's that guy. Apparently, boats are more dangerous than airplanes that are.
Speaker 1:He's the guy that has the money to buy the stuff but doesn't have the time to use it Or won't take the time to use it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:He has to be proficient.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah Right, he doesn't even care about it, like the guy said he was saying again.
Speaker 1:That when it comes to airplanes so proficient.
Speaker 2:These are what we're talking about Right.
Speaker 1:That was my argument with him getting a six-seat airplane for him and his family going on vacation.
Speaker 2:Bad idea. Bad idea, leave that Gandhi.
Speaker 1:Terrible idea. Terrible idea. Yes, that is the situation where the family dies.
Speaker 2:If everything is imperfect? yes, which is where we have to operate. Yeah, which is why you guys look at me now like I'm crazy and like what?
Speaker 1:happened to Lee. But you know, but it's because I live in that world. A few years ago not well, maybe eight years ago I'd be like, yeah, get an airplane, whatever, take your family out. It would have been like it's fine. But now you're older and you think about it and it's like that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 3:Getting old.
Speaker 4:Getting old is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 1:That's why I stopped aging a few years ago.
Speaker 4:You turn 30 every year, don't you?
Speaker 1:I do I still get ID'd everywhere. We're about to sign a skincare line as the new sponsor.
Speaker 4:We're just trying to work our way up towards that.
Speaker 2:I could use one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't say I get ID'd everywhere, but I do get ID'd frequently.
Speaker 3:I don't need one. One time I didn't get ID'd I was super pregnant.
Speaker 1:Well, there's been a lot of times when I haven't got ID'd, but it still happens. If I'm at a place that doesn't know me, it's probably more likely that I get ID'd than not ID'd, but how many times?
Speaker 2:when you're pregnant, though? Well, i've been pregnant a few times, because men can get pregnant. That's why men have to.
Speaker 1:But I miscarry it every time. It may have just been a really bad poop, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I think we should just next Next.
Speaker 1:I'm stuck on the.
Speaker 3:You want to talk about this Being ID'd while pregnant. My favorite is when men think that going to the bathrooms like having a baby, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing Airplanes.
Speaker 2:You don't have.
Speaker 3:ID'd My favorite Airplanes.
Speaker 1:Barb is such a good sport. What about going to the bathroom on an airplane? It can be terrible. My brother had diarrhea on an airplane once and he was Shut up Why? This has been a trend this whole.
Speaker 3:Get him down here He ran down the aisle.
Speaker 1:He was like need in labor You want to discuss. He ran down the aisle way screaming it's a shooting mass, the spirit flight No it's that and I'll ask. He was probably like seven or eight in his defense.
Speaker 3:I need more for this conversation.
Speaker 2:Clearly. Please Do what you need to do. that's what we do. You should see how antisocial we are when we're not drinking at all.
Speaker 1:We don't drink at all. It's terrible, the worst episodes ever. I'm doing a detox and next time I'm up here recording.
Speaker 2:I won't be able to drink.
Speaker 1:That's going to be gay. Not that anything's wrong with being gay. Dei, yes, okay.
Speaker 3:Rob, is that the first time you've done a detox on this? That's true, it's not, i know.
Speaker 1:I've not drank for so long. This is going to be a multi-molto one. How much crap do I get if I'm like, oh, I'm not drinking this episode?
Speaker 3:Oh, because, scott, you need it, if you were doing something and you were playing.
Speaker 1:Planet. No, like, no like. I'm going to get wasted this weekend, but it's a Thursday so I'm not going to for the show.
Speaker 3:That's what you're going to be off. I only buy enough for the weekend and then it doesn't last me. Well, I just run out. If you're like, I'm detoxed.
Speaker 1:If like, hey, I'm doing a detox, i'm not going to be able to drink this, totally fine. Well, next time I'll phrase it properly. I'll say I'm doing a detox on Thursday. So that I can drink on Saturday.
Speaker 2:I would say just plan differently. I think is the point we're trying to make. But I have a very strict schedule.
Speaker 1:It's got to be like a month notice to not drink for podcast episodes.
Speaker 2:And then we wouldn't schedule a podcast while you're doing that, and then we would you know if you guys want to do it podcast.
Speaker 1:Okay, so next time you're up here, you're not drinking.
Speaker 2:I can't No.
Speaker 1:Let's Lee, let's just get blasted. Let's get so drunk that we can't even function, just to piss him off.
Speaker 3:You know that would be very fun to listen to.
Speaker 1:You know what the most irritating thing is the world is What is. it Is when you're trying to be sober and everybody else is drunk.
Speaker 3:Yes, let's do that Especially, i feel like for Rob, because when we get derailed he gets very like no guys let's go back to the.
Speaker 1:The show would be about going down aisle ways of spirit screaming in appropriate things It was a spirit We're flying.
Speaker 3:It was like some like it was like something was
Speaker 2:way back in the day. Spirit didn't even exist No. Another derail.
Speaker 1:We were out at DC 10. If that tells you anything, when did?
Speaker 2:they stop flying.
Speaker 1:I have no idea. It was a DC 10 going into Jamaica and he was running down the aisle way yelling it's a mess Oh boy Barbara, what are you saying? I don't know I completely forgot about what we're attempting to even talk.
Speaker 2:I'm the only one taking notes and my notes are terrible. We need to stop doing that. We got 15 minutes to talk.
Speaker 4:Nobody takes so much. I know What do you got Barbara College. I need some We can talk.
Speaker 1:Barbara college, i told you I need something like 15 minutes of stuff So I can make a segment and actually have a title other than it's a mess.
Speaker 2:I always as the podcast title and bonus clip, but we'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
Speaker 1:Thank you, It's oh yeah.
Speaker 2:In 15 minutes. We have 15 minutes. Got a big clock right over there. Buddy, we're on the same schedule this time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I got you all right, and I just don't want to walk it out.
Speaker 3:I like either. Oh, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2:And nine minutes and one second kind of busy day tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know dude, i got to pack up a you-haul.
Speaker 2:I got to pack this rig up. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna take off. You can start that at 10 am.
Speaker 1:I've got to edit the last disaster from Thursday.
Speaker 2:You haven't started anything like that I did, i've like halfway done. It's a lot. It should have worked harder.
Speaker 1:You complete wreck. What We were shelving today It was I hit?
Speaker 2:maybe Barbara wants to talk about something. I knew that, i knew that.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:I leave my friends on.
Speaker 1:No, I know everything.
Speaker 2:I want to talk to Barbara.
Speaker 1:I have eyes everywhere. Okay, no, allison said she thought.
Speaker 4:I thought I saw her.
Speaker 2:Really helpful filler content You're so critical of a second ago, barbara want to talk about boats.
Speaker 3:He could talk about both.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, he could. The safest industry to be in. No, no, it's possible to die, apparently not When that one engine fails possible with 13 people to help you.
Speaker 2:It is, oh my god, i'm Rick Eddin.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the 13 people to help, that does a lot of good.
Speaker 3:Better than one more person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Rob. You got enough people that could just push you off the other boat.
Speaker 4:No, you can't.
Speaker 2:It's closer than one person.
Speaker 3:Flying is something that weighs basically the same amount, and If they're focused on something, then you can't be, then you need to be looking out the window, but you have 12 other people to be doing other things for you idolize Australians.
Speaker 2:I think is the issue.
Speaker 1:Wrong region.
Speaker 2:You're okay Europeans well, no, he said he's not. He's not Chinese. New Zealand, new Zealand.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's South Africa, it's a good guess 50% of yachting is South Africans.
Speaker 2:Okay, they drive which? which side of the road do they drive on?
Speaker 1:the left side.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's right side drive the correct right side drive, right side drive, so that's like Japan, india.
Speaker 1:It's right and wrong. There's no, not left and right. Do they drive on the right?
Speaker 3:The wrong St Lucia.
Speaker 1:St Lucia is the same Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it's the Bahamas.
Speaker 1:India.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, it could be, could be Ireland.
Speaker 1:We got sidetracked. Earlier I had a go ahead. What we're talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure, i don't know. No, she said you want to talk about boats. She said you want to talk about statistics on general aviation.
Speaker 1:The danger you said it's similar to like a motor like a motorcycle Is that that's accurate. That's what the John and Martha King said, yeah, which is more So.
Speaker 3:I want to say something. I don't know how accurate this is, but Maybe you know, like when you're driving and there are a lot of other cars in proximity to you and it's like, yeah, i'm worried, i'm not worried about myself, i'm worried about the other guy like maybe Flying a plane is different because there aren't always planes in proximity to you and you could like veer off for a minute. So it really does depend on the pilot.
Speaker 1:You can literally. It's a lot easier to check text messages while in route versus a car. Text and fly all the time you can say your driving's kind of there's the long periods of time. We don't have to have as much focus required You should, but it's the stakes I feel like are lower than if you're on a highway going 70 miles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I'm gonna take our lower, if I'm in a plane and I'm just sure, which doesn't necessarily, isn't necessarily a positive Benefit. I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't know if I worded that wrong because I that was correct. I didn't wanna correct.
Speaker 2:I don't want to start another, but if our ability to assess risk is not does not have a great track record as human beings.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely risk management and assessment is a whole thing.
Speaker 1:It's a whole thing do an episode on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we kind of probably just had the opportunity. But the best ideas we have not just they're never gonna, they're never gonna land the way we think they will, because the way We all think so. But yeah so risk risk assessment To threats and errors, we just we don't, we don't get it, we don't get it. So the one time, nine times out of ten text while you fly, whatever You got the emergency, the thunderstorm, the icing that you didn't expect, the engine failure, whatever disaster disaster.
Speaker 1:What's the heaviest airplane? Well, the Russians have blew it up. So what's the second heaviest airplane? What the second one is? Second heaviest one is now the strato launch. It's, uh, that, how much is it way? how many tons, i don't know but they use it to launch Rockets into space. It was a Microsoft guy. He's dead now, but he built this thing. It's got like it's got six of Whatever engine they had on 747. It's like two 747 wings put together And then it has like they launched a rocket from a plane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, The strato launch. They can launch satellites with it and stuff. I don't know. I think the best idea. Which has the heaviest gross weight. I don't know what is empty, but it's the. That's what we want. Yeah, gross weight. Gross weight max takeoff weight or whatever, is the heaviest in the world. It's a. It's called the strato launch. It's somewhere out west. They launched satellites with it. I don't know what. I got six engines on it.
Speaker 2:The wingspan is ridiculous.
Speaker 4:What do you?
Speaker 3:want to know Lee Well what I want to know is why the thanks Bob?
Speaker 2:Why don't we take and make like a maglev, like a magnetic levitation, just high speed trains and wherever, all over Japan, china, i'm sure they're bullet trains.
Speaker 3:It's a. Thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bullet trains, but I wanted, i want to make sure that we're using the right technology, which is why I'm saying mag. I don't want to sign necessarily an arbitrary number to how fast they go, because I don't know, but I want to make sure we're using this technology because I think it'll be most efficient. Why don't we get spaceships up to like 300 knots on a maglev 12 mile long maglev train and get them started and then Then hit the jets and go? Would that be more efficient than going?
Speaker 4:for what's the point? Why 300 knots?
Speaker 1:You can't have bleachers on that.
Speaker 2:Well, that's also true. So you're not starting from zero, wouldn't that take a while? The way that you're explaining it, it's your horizontal.
Speaker 1:I looked this up before I looked up this question. Well, at the end it can be like a launch ramp.
Speaker 2:I don't know where the train goes per se Once it launches. I looked.
Speaker 1:I literally looked this up before because I had the same idea in my head.
Speaker 3:Maybe it needs a little bit of a plan for them.
Speaker 1:There was a reason why it doesn't make sense, and I can't remember what it was. Well, it needs a little bit of wings.
Speaker 2:So like, let's say, we use the space shuttle as kind of somewhat of a template. Just give that some bigger engines and more fuel, launch it horizontally. Top-throttle dragster.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically yeah or no, maybe the ramp.
Speaker 2:Maybe the way that it is aligned on the thing has like a little bit of the thing as you approach the critical speed turns up like the top.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. They couldn't even figure that out, though They closed that.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you a question Is this worth it or like? is this one of those? can an airplane take off on a conveyor belt, things?
Speaker 2:This is awesome. It gets such a big argument over that.
Speaker 1:The airplane can definitely take off on a conveyor belt, because the wheels are just.
Speaker 3:Absolutely it cannot, scott Boris, is it can, the wheels would just spin faster and the plane would move forward.
Speaker 1:Stop it, stop it right now.
Speaker 3:Do you have the?
Speaker 2:brakes on How well lubricated is. Are the wheels? As long as you have, as long as you have good wheel bearings, it's going to take off.
Speaker 1:Let's say they're abec 5 No.
Speaker 2:Rollerblades.
Speaker 1:Yes, do you have good wheel bearings? because if you do, it's going to take off.
Speaker 2:So what if the wheel, if the conveyor belt was moving? would the things stay stationary, right? What thing? The airplane. The wheel bearings are turning on the airplane, while the convertible is rolling.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like a treadmill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so does the airplane say stationary or does it go with the treadmill?
Speaker 1:Yes, Why would it go with the treadmill? It has wheel bearings.
Speaker 2:So you're agreeing with Barb then?
Speaker 1:No, we don't agree No we don't agree, it would take off. Of course it would take off.
Speaker 3:It would not take off.
Speaker 1:You're saying it would travel with the. It would travel against the treadmill because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Which would be stationary? No, it would move forward, yes, it would.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, you guys are very good.
Speaker 4:You guys are very good, If you're No.
Speaker 3:Scott, stop it right now. If you're walking up a down escalator, are you moving?
Speaker 1:I'm not being powered by thrust, i'm being powered by my legs. Which are your thrusts? Which?
Speaker 2:are your thrusts, if your?
Speaker 1:thrust is not dependent on what's attached to the ground, then you're going to move forward.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:No, exactly No, you're going to move forward.
Speaker 1:If, instead of legs, you just had a shape of a circle of stair things? so you?
Speaker 3:could have a wheel going up and down the escalator Against a conveyor belt.
Speaker 1:The wheels are going to be spinning faster, but the plane is going to be moving forward at the same speed it normally would be No, it depends.
Speaker 2:It would take a lot more takeoff run. All you're simulating is a high-density altitude, low performance thrust, low performance, everything else.
Speaker 1:As long as you're wheel bearing. You just made that a lot more Watch, watch watch.
Speaker 2:This won't be a perfect simulation Wheel conveyor belt. This won't be great. It's going to suck, it's not going to prove anything. It's not going to work. It's not going to prove anything. But I want, can't you?
Speaker 1:Do you want to grab the?
Speaker 3:treadmill. No, i'm sorry, am I the only one? who knows that this is not going to take off.
Speaker 2:No Well, how long will it take? We don't know the excess amount of thrust you're talking about.
Speaker 3:You can be a rubber band propeller, balsa wood train, you can have as much thrust as you want. No, no, no, it's not a thrust that takes off an airplane No no, no.
Speaker 2:Have you ever heard of Saturn 5? Yeah, it needs no takeoff run, right Yeah. So, I understand. I'm on your side.
Speaker 3:Bart, that's a rocket ship. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Power to weight ratio. What else is there? I don't know what else. The?
Speaker 3:thrust is literally going back, not down. The thrust is going backwards.
Speaker 2:Yes, but remember that propeller puts some artificial air flow across the airfoil.
Speaker 3:Not enough.
Speaker 2:You don't know, we have not isolated all those variables. For the most part, you take a production airplane and you size it right.
Speaker 1:Yes, i agree with you Can a 747 take off on a conveyor belt? That's what they always post No. It's a practical answer.
Speaker 2:Hold on, i did not know this was a thing. So am I? Don't pay me in a freaking quarter of a million.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's like Can a 747 take off on a conveyor belt. The practical answer is yes A 747 engine produce a quarter of a million pounds of thrust. Each pound of thrust is powerful enough to launch a bronchosaurus straight up.
Speaker 4:What kind of force?
Speaker 1:No matter what is happening on the treadmill and wheels. The plane is going to move forward and take off, yes, bam.
Speaker 2:But we already established a power weight ratio.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing if it was like you were on an icy lake and just locked up the parking brake and hit the thrusters. It's still going to take off. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's why I tried to isolate beforehand.
Speaker 1:Where's the lift From the forward motion? From the forward motion, The wind. What forward? So you assuming that the air? are you in a vacuum? or something Like what do you? No, you're not moving forward.
Speaker 2:You're going to move forward? Yes, you are.
Speaker 1:You are moving forward. That was Google. I'll do a chat to be teased first. The conveyor belt is only moving a direction at a certain speed.
Speaker 2:So if you have a thrust whatever you want to call it that exceeds, that It's a treadmill Right.
Speaker 1:Okay, it must be overwhelmed right now, okay. All of our audience watching live chat gpc right now.
Speaker 3:You're saying if you have enough thrust to go faster than the treadmill is going backwards, you're going to take off. It doesn't matter how fast. the rest of the time It's going to drive off the treadmill and at that point you're taking off on the ground.
Speaker 4:The wheels are going to take off The wheels are just going to just spin out of control.
Speaker 1:Because, in theory, the treadmill is always just going to match the wheel speed. I believe in every time this question came up, but it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:So you're Hold on, hold on. You're trying to say, as if the wheel speed always matches the treadmill speed. So you're trying to say, if something's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because if it doesn't, then it drives off the treadmill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is Ford motion which creates lift.
Speaker 3:Yeah, at that point you're not taking off a treadmill, you're taking off the ground because you drove off the treadmill.
Speaker 2:How long is the treadmill? I'm talking an infinite treadmill. I don't know. I'm talking.
Speaker 1:They always, I believe they always in the example, always. It's a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 2:It would have to be a gigantic treadmill.
Speaker 3:I mean how long It would have to be way longer than a runway Mathematically. think about it.
Speaker 2:You would need Everybody's disputing that. All you are is simulating a low, that same airfoil at a high density altitude.
Speaker 1:You have chat GPT on your phone. That's all you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be a higher ground speed. Okay, i don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3:I thought we were on a treadmill. That ended.
Speaker 4:At when?
Speaker 3:At when, i don't know, that's why I assumed we were driving off the treadmill. And then you're taking off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, treadmills are typically only like four or five feet long.
Speaker 1:The examples I've heard of. It's an unlimited length treadmill.
Speaker 2:Well, it has to be. I think it's why we've been talking about it. If it's a normal treadmill, it's five feet long and a 740-tonne is going to take off it. Obviously it doesn't work. We crushed the treadmill. We're out of the gate.
Speaker 1:It's pellet time making a treadmill. Yes, that is exactly.
Speaker 2:They do tread, tread. We'd crush the treadmill.
Speaker 3:And the Brontosaurus, and the Brontosaurus. What a terrible metric Brontosaurus.
Speaker 2:Hold on, i know. First off, we have to genetically engineer the Brontosaurus And that's going to take 20-something out of yours, probably, for it to grow to maturity.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's 9 o'clock out of here, is it really? Yes, you got to shut it down. Barb, thank you so much, thank you so much, no problem, good job everybody.
Speaker 2:Yes, everybody especially Scott, especially Barb. Good job myself, Good job, Good job Scott.
Speaker 1:I did everything great. Yep, i did so great, broke them all. Everything great.
Speaker 2:And this as soon as we get on, of course. Scott Stuck continues talking Like American World War.
Speaker 1:This is like 3, 2, 1. Okay, 3, 2, 1, man Intro back in. Well, I'm going to go back to the beginning. We'll cut intro back in.
Speaker 2:Bathroom break or anything. Yeah, we'll do bathroom. We'll do five minutes. We think of something just like when's your birthday? Oh, what's your social security?
Speaker 1:number two What's your account and routing number? I want to see if it's the same as mine. Yeah. Similar The routing is the first one. The account's the second one Okay. You're going to go first. Scott that file, All right.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, So yeah, there's just so much like oh, I want to understand it And I'm like I'm in the mode of extracting information out of you now Like I want to know, Like because I've been there. I stopped guys. Dude, this is stop. Like you just yell it Like you don't. like there's no, there's no professionals anymore. Like you're in a car, it's like stop. Like you put your hand out and you're like, stop, like you're going to stop them from walking across the street, even though they're driving an airplane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just put your hand out, stop. You know that's crazy Like when the CFI went shush.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i got it. I got shushed, just like that.
Speaker 1:So is it an adjustment, doing that from like CFI, or using your left hand, and then you work with the captain and you're using your right? I guess you have that first officer transition where you're not doing it.
Speaker 2:So I guess, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Have you literally done that in the plane where you?
Speaker 2:put your arm out.
Speaker 1:Why don't you just get on the controls on your side in that situation?
Speaker 2:Because my feet are flat on the floor, because I trust the guys I fly with.
Speaker 4:Well, then sound like That's the dip.
Speaker 2:Well if they do something stupid, i like I tell them to stop, like I'm saying that I did. If they keep going, i will get on the controls, Okay.
Speaker 4:I was just curious.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't. So here's the thing You don't want to undermine. You don't want them to second guess your trust in them.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't want to have communications, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 3:You don't want any communication breakdown in the future. You want to talk CRM. We could talk CRM all day.
Speaker 2:We could talk CRM all day. That's right. Crm, crt, we're all into it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, crm is a big one And like a lot of that. I think not CRM, but it's like cockpit etiquette And just there's. There's like don't go press a button if you're not going to tell me what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is super important, you're you just don't want to do anything to erode any trust between the two of you. It's just the two of you that have to manage worst case scenario and best case scenario, so it's like you don't want to do anything from the get. Go to think there is a disproportionate of power or anything like that, like we're both equally qualified in the airplane. The only thing that may matter is maybe seniority with the company. Other than that proficiency level is the same, everybody's the same is the way I like to think about it, and so what I do like and I'm very conscious of it when I'm flying with a guy I don't. My hands are flat, like they're not anywhere near the controls, my feet are flat on the floor. I'm not riding along with them in any sense.
Speaker 1:When you're flying with a guy. What if you're flying with a female that you're ready to take over any second.
Speaker 2:Then I don't want to fly, then I don't want to fly.
Speaker 1:Okay, No, no, no Yeah that's dangerous.
Speaker 2:Why would you? I want to get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when Lee has a female, you can't see him. I don't know if you can see my hands.
Speaker 2:When.
Speaker 1:Lee has a female student. he's like this the whole time, Just ready to grab the controls.
Speaker 2:I don't take female students. That's where you're wrong. I just don't take them. Just don't take them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you all. You failed the pre-screen, the pre-screen.
Speaker 2:Without first box. you had to check.
Speaker 3:You failed You failed the pre-screening Male, female no no, not happening Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah. So I try to really make sure that it's bicameral. You know what I mean. It's an equally shared responsibility, it's an equally shared proficiency thing, so that they feel at ease to make some of their own decisions and whatever, not feel like there's training wheels on or anything like that. So I try to go out of my way. That's really annoying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really annoying.
Speaker 2:I always got to turn it off upstairs.
Speaker 1:The noise I don't hear anything. Ding, ding, ding, whatever.
Speaker 2:No, it's not, It's still going No, it's over here.
Speaker 4:You got to use that mouse there that I could probably reach. Hit this miss over here.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 4:It's gone now. It's gone now.
Speaker 2:You should have listened to the annoyance beforehand. What's? you doing with that cube over there, lee, i don't know, I just got this 30 seconds ago You already fixed it, yeah. It was sitting here when.
Speaker 1:I was here. Oh okay, I thought you were going to like do a demonstration with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so cubes fly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, apparently they do these days. Balloons Yeah, they're just the aliens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh cute, it's the most aerodynamic shape.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but anyways, i mean, the aliens are probably using automated systems, don't you think? You don't?
Speaker 3:think they're still flying it by hand, are they? Oh no, they're definitely flying it by hand, You think?
Speaker 1:so Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:They got 10 hands in two brains, that's true.
Speaker 1:But don't you think they'd just be smart enough to make the system do what it wants? No, they make the slits.
Speaker 3:I don't think so. They weren't smart enough to keep that balloon high enough. I mean, we saw it. We let it sit there for days.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know, Well, that's so Yeah.
Speaker 2:Definitely not smart enough. Which one, which one are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, For a second there. I thought it might be being a little bit what's the a little bit racist for calling the Chinese aliens. What are we? how did it go here? You just walk away. I could fill up one drink upstairs.
Speaker 4:So we have been.
Speaker 1:Bob's referring to Asian people as aliens and it's kind of offensive to be, honest.
Speaker 2:Especially the women. Eight watching, seven watching now, so they're drinking, going down Jack Clarky 20. We're totally like, more than ever, we're like all on the, the guests. So just want to say hey, tyler and Jack, and D Freed I don't know who D Freed is, oh, dan Friedman, dan Friedman.
Speaker 1:I'd assume so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was good, just putting that together, we were all good.
Speaker 3:Guess what It was recording using the AirPod microphones the whole time.
Speaker 1:He probably.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, i sent you a mic, i just switched it.
Speaker 1:I didn't even see the mic, so Yeah, cause it's here.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, but um, i wish I would've known that it was right there.
Speaker 2:I could've told you that this whole time.
Speaker 1:You're definitely not close enough to it. You're definitely not close enough to it.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen the last episodes.
Speaker 1:You have to put your face on the microphone Just in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was better, maybe.
Speaker 1:Tap on it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah it's coming through the mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good It is now, because I had it switched. I switched it. Cool, cool Kids these days.
Speaker 1:Well, it seemed.
Speaker 3:I told you. I told you Automation and technology.
Speaker 2:The divisiton of the flight deck. That's why we need to replace all humans. I'm sure that's well on the way, just ask.
Speaker 1:AI. All right no need for humans.
Speaker 3:So I'll leave this in front of my face. We did discuss Is that better?
Speaker 1:The sound quality is better.
Speaker 2:Much better. Oh sorry, It's all right, We've all been there. You've seen the show Jesus Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, that's true.
Speaker 2:Hey, you're not supposed to agree with this, just kidding You guys.
Speaker 3:it's very professional. Yeah, that's a reputation. Thank you for noticing.
Speaker 1:My goal is for people to say, wow, scott's so professional. Yeah, that's the mark, scott wants to leave on aviation.
Speaker 3:Scott is so professional You know he knew 7600.
Speaker 2:I did So, i think he can just get up and walk.
Speaker 4:He knows more than he lets on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically a genius, but I don't want to get kidnapped.
Speaker 2:You can't give him anything, because then he does that shit.
Speaker 1:I'm basically a genius. No, it's OK, i'm basically a genius, but I don't want to get kidnapped by the CIA and then they'll make me do stuff for them.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I just pretend to be an idiot? Yeah, that's the only reason he's still with us.
Speaker 3:I've actually put him on the spot more I will. What, If you need me to put you on the spot more I?
Speaker 1:will OK what I've actually.
Speaker 2:Let's not do too much of that. I think I'm actually out.
Speaker 1:I've actually outsmarted the government by pretending that I'm not smart. Because, they'll kidnap me and make me do stuff for them. Yep, yep, all right. Um, on that amazing note.
Speaker 2:I just picture like a dog on a beach ball for a treat. That's all that picture A what A dog like balancing on a beach ball for a treat. Why, i don't know.
Speaker 1:I picture like oh, the government's going to make me do stuff for them, like me doing tricks? OK, barb, do you need a break real quick? Are you good right now? Just start.
Speaker 4:I'm good OK.
Speaker 1:We ready? Can we pick up where this conversation left? off Probably not, it's not going to make sense unless I start an episode. All right, i really liked where that was going. I had more I wanted to say on the topic. We'll get out of your system for like a couple minutes. I got the idea for that. There was this guy that was like not right in the head, that used to come by the motorcycle shop all the time And he literally told us that he was V Max.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't him. Ok, it was an old guy, though, and he was like kind of off. But he told us that he was so smart that they studied him when he was in school and that the CIA like took him and the government took him and they like studied his brain to try to figure out how his brain works, all this stuff. I don't think he was telling the truth.
Speaker 3:That sounds like. Definitely not true.
Speaker 1:A lot of older guys out there. I wouldn't say a lot, but that's not completely out of the realm of who I'd assume would be at a time So after he said that told that story and I realized how smart I was. I was like I better, i better dumb myself down, i need to be worried. Yeah, because I was like if they came for him, they're definitely coming for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And even with this tinfoil hat more often Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's more like I'm using this as a joke for the rest of my life, when it comes up.