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Ready for a sky-rocketing adventure into the world of aviation? We've got an episode lined with intriguing insights and exciting tales of navigating through thunderstorms and airfield gradients. One moment we're dodging weather anomalies, and the next, we're making a calculated take-off from a challenging Virginia airport. Along the way, we'll share how flight simulator games aren't just for fun but can also be a practical tool to sharpen piloting skills.

As we soar through the skies of aviation, we also venture into the crucial aspects of flight safety. We zero in on the importance of proper gear from life jackets to Mustang Survival inflatable jackets, the role of planning for wind conditions, altitude, and the indispensable value of a life raft in emergencies. We even have an entertaining debate on the legality of drinking while flying an ultralight vehicle, making you rethink the implications of operating a vehicle while intoxicated.

Our journey doesn't end there. We dip our toes into water activity preparations, discussing the essential gear for safe flying over bodies of water. Hear us compare Mustang and Gumby suits and their role in cold weather conditions. Plus, we've got a fun twist for you - a Bud Light comparison, German vs American. Now, who wouldn't want to know about that? Buckle up, and join us as we navigate the turbulent and thrilling skies of aviation.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:07

and now my freight of thunderstorms those are scary.

Speaker 2 0:13

Why you're afraid of thunderstorms?

Speaker 1 0:15

I just am sorry. I was on Peely and I had no cell phone service, so I had fourth light up and I'm trying to get back to Portland from Peely, which is only 20 miles, like southwest, southwest and right through the center of the Lake Erie Islands, about 20 miles well, yeah, really it is.

Speaker 1 0:32

I mean you're splitting Putt and Bay and Kelly's Island almost exactly, if you go right, on course. But there's just a bunch of weather coming through and weather out of the south just tracking right over top of Portland, like right on the flight line, and I have. I text Jeff because I saw him on fray. I'm like hey, you flying today. He's like no, I'm off, but he's like he's because I can't populate a radar image. I can just look at the clouds and the Griffin flying service isn't flying. I'm like okay, and they have weather they can watch usually not a good sign.

Speaker 2 1:04

Usually not a good sign exactly. I'm like you guys aren't flying right.

Speaker 1 1:09

So, like I'm, it's there's, just I don't have enough information. They're not flying, so it must be bad. I can populate an image with no movement. So I text him because I saw him on Friday when he just showed up and so I thought he may be flying, but he wasn't. But he sent me a screenshot of what the radar looked like, with, no, no movement, of course, but it was just. It was better than what I had and it's just when you, it's just when you get out of it and you don't have a capable airplane, like you're, just might. I'm putting my family in this thing. I don't have the capabilities I'm used to having. You just think about things different. And so we went back to the house and came back, and went back to the house and came back and it was.

Speaker 2 1:52

It was a goat rope for sure this is the flight back after you had the fuel switch thing well, it was a couple flights after that actually.

Speaker 1 2:00

But yeah, right, right, yeah, I mean, it's just the GA stuff, man, it's just like I'm just, I'm out of, I'm not on my game anymore. I've gotten lazy. My skills of atrophied my, I mean, I have a different set of skills that are maybe a little bit more, you know, bolstered than they were well, by a lot, but then I have other skills that are just totally worthless so that's right, your power failure on takeoff clip.

Speaker 2 2:30

It's doing fairly well on YouTube after I posted a couple days ago well, I was going to seem to be very receptive to it and interested in it.

Speaker 1 2:38

I wish I knew what I said, but yeah, it was, it was. It was an interesting moment yeah.

Speaker 2 2:42

I thought it was a fantastic glory fantastic learning experience.

Speaker 1 2:45

I don't remember. It's probably drinking just like I am now, and I won't remember this either okay then.

Speaker 2 2:52

Um, yeah, that I can wrap that up for some sort of episode. I'm just going to go in the chit chat. Yeah, I can break that up into two, I think oh, okay, sure yeah okay, roll with it. Um go arounds are illegal. Uh, talking about a lot, a lot of Catalina talk is that yeah, live in a wine mixers or someone had live atc.

Speaker 3 3:19

That's a another good one to live atc is a good one.

Speaker 1 3:22

When I was flying the airlines and I saw it a Chicago, uh, chicago hair trip on my schedule, I listen live atc to see what people were doing.

Speaker 3 3:32

So that's what another thing is um, depending how deep you get into your simulator. So, on my sim I had that I want to say was that sim at the time where I was working with my work on my double cfi, so on, that's on. Uh, that's in. What they would do is there was people that were pretending they were atc or I don't want to say pretending, but that's what they wanted to do. So some people on the on the sims, if you were online, wanted to fly a plane or whatever, and so it was very easy if you wanted to get New York and there was someone who would act like they were New York center, they were um, gfk or something like that, and they would give you like headings or whatever, and it's like you were actually talking to an atc person. I love that they off duty atc.

Speaker 3 4:15

They could have been, could have been, could have been any.

Speaker 2 4:16

I doubt it. I know what atc controllers. Like man, I'm off work?

Speaker 1 4:22

yeah, but what? What off duty pilot is doing that I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 4:25

I'm gonna walk this one. No, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 4:27

I'm gonna walk into what? Anyway, I'm gonna fire up flight sim and I'm gonna do my job for free on my days off so anyway.

Speaker 3 4:36

I don't know um maybe were they good they were good, but I ended up with a Toledo guy, the guy that was working Toledo tower, and that's where I had to fly into for my double CFI hold on.

Speaker 1 4:47

He was a Toledo tower controller. No, he was acting like he was oh, first.

Speaker 3 4:51

So when you get online it would show okay, and this, this tower is open or whatever. And this person was acting like you very rarely got like Cleveland Center or or uh, hopkins, but for some reason this day there was a guy acting like he was Toledo approach and so I was able to work with this guy. So, I mean, that's that's a little bit more than like we're talking least communication or live atc or whatever. But so, yeah, there's stuff on there that you could do too. But yeah, there was one I plain English was another one that you could do and it would give you like um, a call and you would call back and if you got it correct, it would move you on to the next, the next thing it was an app on the phone yeah, plain English.

Speaker 3 5:29

I'll have to download it the word like plain as an airplane, not just you know, oh, I get it yeah.

Speaker 2 5:35

I see what you did there yeah okay, that's good I appreciate a good marketing thing you know a lot of atc's pilots like do they have private? Pilots. What do you think the percentage is actually?

Speaker 1 5:47

there's I think there's a big percentage but what's a big percentage is that 30 percent it's probably most are not pilots.

Speaker 2 5:55

I would say 30 percent but there is a chunk that are oh yeah, there's some there.

Speaker 3 5:59

Yeah, die hard yeah, we only had something like Google or something.

Speaker 1 6:03

I wonder if that would have it do it up, all right, your droid is already like ready to go oh there we go, iphone guy yeah absolutely let me tilt the mics up so you guys can stand.

Speaker 2 6:19

I don't know, I don't know what to do. You know the episode. We were pretty relaxed now, so it's like this is just the after chat. I'm gonna read some chats check, check, check oh, we got so.

Importance of Runway Gradient in Aviation

Speaker 1 6:30

Well, yeah, is the episode over. Yeah, oh, okay, good, cut it okay it's probably fine there's so many things, guys, it's so hard to follow. I know it's not moving much for you, but like for me, I'm like I can't even track conversation we have going in here, let alone what's going on, yeah, yeah, okay, runway is a gradient, we were there um, I did look at that.

Speaker 1 6:52

So, as that airport he's talking about was like 340 feet at one end, follow this 340 feet MSL at one end in like 110 feet at the other end. There's a 200 foot gradient from one end to the other.

Speaker 2 7:06

Nice that, burnsville, you're talking about yeah there's like a citation mustang in the twitter video that was taken off from it well, it can totally do it.

Speaker 1 7:14

I was at an airport. It was significant, it would. Um. So I found out, even with the tailwind up to a certain amount, we it was almost up to like 15 knots. It was always beneficial for us. It was such a gradient for us. We always need to just take, take off one runway. I would just it was in Virginia, somewhere, I can't even remember but um, it was crazy. Like when I came in there to land and we landed uphill, it was like crazy, I'm like we need to take off that way. There's no way when. And then I ran the numbers with up to more wind than what it was actually forecasted, but I wanted to see what the threshold was before it said, okay, it's better for you to take off uphill than downhill. And it was like 15 or 17 knots or something like that. Huh, it's crazy. It was such a gradient and that's similar to what you're talking. Now, that was a short runway. This is a decently long runway but I saw they were going.

Speaker 1 8:05

The jet was taking off down downhill so I guess the point I'm trying to make is typically, if you have a gradient like that, it is better to take off downhill. Look at the numbers at the time temperature, all those good things, but in a jet. But um, if you have a gradient significant, definitely think about, don't just think about headwind, which is typically what we do with it with most of your boards we're going to. Headwind is huge because we can take off only with a maximum, like in the airplane I fly. It's a maximum of ten knots tailwind. That's a limitation because they did, they didn't test the airplane beyond that. It's not that I can't do it, they didn't test the airplane beyond that. And this I do it. It can absolutely do it. And, of course, if the runway is a Huge gradient like it, doesn't make sense to go uphill with only a two-knot headwind. It's just, it's just um, but um, run the numbers is the bottom line. Think about gradient, not just headwind.

Speaker 3 9:04

So if you want to be a vatsim controller, there's five levels. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:09

Serious stuff there. What's level one?

Speaker 3 9:11

level one is tower training, the first rating, which allows you to get started on Some aerodrome position. So vatsim must be out of like Europe. Then you get all the way at the senior controller a C3.

Speaker 2 9:23

Wow, yeah, what are the, what are? Some little space stuff between we should get Scott to like try to do.

Speaker 1 9:30

Some. What's the point?

Speaker 2 9:31

This is what is this allow you to play Air traffic controller on a what is it simulator.

Speaker 3 9:37

Yeah, that's them. So I think how do you get vetted, Like how does that? They got people Okay you get a global rate. It's a global rating.

Speaker 2 9:46

This is a thing.

Speaker 3 9:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:47

I never knew this was a thing.

Speaker 1 9:48

Wow.

Speaker 2 9:51

Okay, but but a turbo Buick. He's saying I should make ATC people have like five hours and a GA plane. I think that'd be helpful. I would feel like it'd be helpful if every pilot did like a tower tour and like Watch them for a little bit that goes both ways?

Speaker 1 10:11

Yeah, absolutely. I believe that's called operation rain check. I think you can look that up in the aim.

Speaker 3 10:17

Yeah, oh, you talk about Getting on the tower. Yep, yeah, but that's so hard to get on there a lot they those spots fill up like Soon as they post it. So it's where they take you into, like Cleveland Center, and you get to see the inner workings.

Speaker 1 10:35

Okay, it seems like it's super easy to me.

Speaker 3 10:38

No, it's called rain. I used to be, I mean. I remember trying to sign up one time for it, it was. It was almost impossible. Like every time it would post it would be filled up like the matter of minutes. Maybe now it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 10:49

I don't know, maybe there's different ways to like go for a tower tour or something like that. Yeah, I maybe. Operational rain check is maybe not the best.

Speaker 3 10:59

Yeah, rain check for anybody that yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 11:02

Exit? Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 11:05

Yeah, I was in banter toe training.

Speaker 3 11:08

I think if you just said my name's griffing, the whole class opens all kinds of doors for you in the world.

Speaker 2 11:13

The whole crew class thing what do you want to call it went out drinking the night before, so we're like a bit hungover the next day. So we didn't fly. Safety first.

Speaker 3 11:22

Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 1 11:24

We eight hours by a lot of the problem and we applaud you for that.

Speaker 2 11:27

We got a bunch of donuts and we took them up. We just kind of just drove to the tower, just Knocked on the door. We have donuts and let us up. We just kind of hung out the tower.

Speaker 1 11:42

I Love it. I love everything about it.

Speaker 3 11:45

There's your answer. I just donuts.

Speaker 1 11:47

Yeah, operation rain check more like operations.

Speaker 1 11:53

But it's the interface for us to understand. Jeff's point is perfect. Yeah, for us to understand their side of things and for them to understand our side of things Could not be. I mean I think it's great. All the controllers, all the controls that I know personally. None of them have private positive tickets. I know different Universities that do the air traffic control courses. It can help. It shaves a lot of credits off if you do them, I mean so I mean that's super cool. If you have your private or have a recreational pilot certificate can't have a light sport at least last I knew but any of the Certified pilots, recreational being the base level, it shaves a lot of people have that.

Speaker 3 12:38

So when I was partnered in a 180, one of the partners was. He worked for center in.

Speaker 4 12:43

Cleveland yeah, he was a pilot.

Speaker 3 12:45

Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 12:45

I Know it exists, I don't. I don't think it's 50% though.

Speaker 3 12:50

Yeah, I don't think maybe as high as I thought it was Well, I mean. I know at one time I thought you had to be a pilot to be ATC and then I think they dropped that requirement.

Speaker 1 13:00

Oh, I'm gonna look yeah, go, go look it up.

Speaker 3 13:03

Look it up.

Speaker 1 13:04

I don't, I don't know that that was ever a requirement. I know it helps for college courses. It counts as a bunch of your credits. So I think those incoming you know Whatever college kids, college students they're thinking okay, I can get my pilot certificate and then it also shaves off for my ATC, which we're probably gonna make more money and have a Pension and stuff.

Speaker 2 13:28

Yeah, let's offer that for scuba diving to some colleges in Florida will accept a Patty certificate is like a college credit.

Speaker 4 13:38

So if I came to you and said my goal was to be a crop duster, uh-huh, would your first lesson be different?

Speaker 2 13:45

Oh See, when we say want to be a professional pilot, we're always thinking, oh, airlines or corporate or something. What if somebody's like I?

Speaker 1 13:54

Treated the same.

Speaker 4 13:55

I want to go as professional or fun.

Flight Training and Rudder Skills

Speaker 1 13:58

It went, I would a professional I am, so for the private pilot certificate, I would treat it differently now, just as I've progressed myself. But I would treat it very much so stick-and-rutter oriented, where I'm not so much like all the finite things of Regulations and airspace, I'd be more like just nuts and bolts. Fly this airplane. I will teach you Barely what you need to know to pass the check ride, to pass the oral, which I mean in, in, if the student is Able to digest and we have the, the, the, the bandwidth, if you will to put stuff in there, fine. But like you have to read the person not saying you're not.

Speaker 1 14:52

It's very, very general. Put in 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag. Like you have to look at at the audience what they when, at what point did they become despondent in a given lesson? You know what I mean and it's like I Gotta try and feed this in at some point. You know I gotta cover these regs for you to pass this check ride so you can have a competent conversation when you take your check ride. That, that, uh, that becomes. That becomes difficult and it becomes sometimes for people who want to seek Something like that, I just want to crop dust, I just want to banter toe, or I just want to fly the islands.

Speaker 1 15:42

That's what that was, jeff, and I'm not saying that, but Obviously you have a different tactic and you're gonna teach him the bare minimum for airspace now. He went on and got his CFI, got his double-eye. He didn't just he could have stopped it as commercial, but he didn't. He went beyond that. So, like I know, he gained some from that airspace wise and you know he got a little airspace with on his instrument. But yeah, I would focus very much so Manhandle this airplane, get it to do what you want it to do. Stick and rudder, tailwheel stuff, seaplane stuff all that stuff will help get that, get you in tune with the airplane, be part of like Wear it instead of, you know, fly in it type thing.

Speaker 2 16:27

I Don't got those crop dusting on pilot groundcom.

Speaker 1 16:32

Yeah, he's always posting talking about, yeah, cool stuff, yeah and yeah. And I don't know that if I had a somebody, if I had somebody who wanted to be airline pilot versus crop duster, initially I don't think I'd make that much distinction. I, if I'm gonna go put my family in the back of an airliner with you flying, I want you to have the same stick and nerdy skills as somebody who's crop dusting. That's why I would look at it. Maybe it does, I don't know.

Speaker 2 17:03

Stick and rudder stick around.

Speaker 1 17:05

That's the shit that saves lives. That's the shit that saves lives.

Speaker 2 17:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:10

What's his name laying on the Hudson?

Speaker 2 17:12

Well, that's saving lives here.

Speaker 1 17:14

That's not knowing F A R's that's not knowing shit. That's understanding energy management and sticking rudder skills.

Speaker 2 17:21

That's it I, In my opinion you have that engine failure 100 feet off the ground. F A? R Don't matter at that point. No, yeah, that sticking rudder skill. Yeah bank that airplane over on Joint Cross runway? Yeah, you said you would have land whatever happened.

Speaker 1 17:44

Whatever you need to do, do go as drastic as you need to and and preserve the energy so that, when you get down to basically getting close to hitting the ground, you can at least arrest the descent and not kill everybody. Obviously, there's some scenarios where that isn't possible at all, but the best chance, I think, is putting that sticking rudder skill from day one. Oh yeah power off 180s, be comfortable. Crank in that over 60 degrees of bank at 30 feet. I think that those are important things.

Speaker 2 18:19

There's that classic book sticking rudder. You've always been a fan of I have not read it yet.

Speaker 1 18:24

Oh man, You're not borrowing mine. It's a 1947 copy. It's in a ziplock bag in my fireproof safe.

Speaker 2 18:33

Please got an insurance policy on it.

Speaker 1 18:36

It's not my homeowners.

Speaker 3 18:38

Not for real.

Speaker 1 18:39

Yeah, it's a 1947 copy. It's original edition of stick and rudder by Wolfgang language.

Speaker 2 18:47

I want to try to buy an original now nerd alert, do it up. Let's see if I can Stick in a rudder man went to oh, look here on Google, on Amazon it's for dollar 37.

Speaker 3 19:00

autograph doesn't copy First first farm agent first look at that email.

Speaker 2 19:08

It's like oh, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 19:15

So, but here's the thing, though it's in the on the inside written given to my dad. Okay so it's like somebody got it from. My dad was born in 46. Gotcha so I don't know when they gave it to him per se, but in my mind it's like right then he was a toddler.

Speaker 3 19:30

He was born, they gave it to him. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 19:32

I think that's yeah, I was in his nursery with him.

Speaker 3 19:37

So like is that the Griffith family Bible basically yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 19:44

Yeah, I should show you when you're just over the other day it was right underneath those.

Speaker 3 19:48

Logbooks. You're not that good of a friend. That's why I didn't show you.

Speaker 2 19:52

I got the only classic lot family log books. The other day I was like oh my gosh. You know I was afraid to touch them.

Speaker 3 19:58

You know what? As a owner and designer, the number one escape room in the Erie County, I could design like a hidden room for you that you could hide that booklet so someone doesn't break in there and take it would be a fireproof.

Speaker 1 20:10

It'd be fireproof. How many guns would it hold? Make?

Speaker 3 20:13

it as big as you want my movie theater you gotta. You got to turn a coat hook to unlock the the door.

Speaker 1 20:18

Let's see now.

Speaker 2 20:18

Everybody knows, I don't know where I live okay, all right Brunk horse saying air back flights sure are fun and explore going past the limits of an aircraft beyond just a basic spin. You guys ever done air back I. It's not my to-do list, I never have.

Speaker 3 20:37

I've never done it, but I have. I've been in a Stearman that the guy did some stuff, so Some rolls and whatever. It was pretty cool I. Yeah, I've always wanted extra 300, you know who you need for that kind of stuff in here Jeremy, jeremy, Colvin.

Speaker 2 20:57

He's a legend legend, I'm sure this is some dude. We know, or we know, we know okay, it's got his own airstrip, oh. I Always like guys that own their own airstrips. Yeah they're usually fairly interesting people 1944, copy $46.

Speaker 1 21:18

Okay but to me it's.

Speaker 2 21:20

I don't have the memo, though it's priceless.

Speaker 4 21:22

I think it comes in audio book too.

Speaker 3 21:25

That's what they said not.

Speaker 1 21:26

Not the same, not the same guys. I want to read it.

Speaker 2 21:29

I want to read it, cuz you've talked about her before we even had the show.

Speaker 1 21:33

It's an amazing book. It's an amazing book everybody the audio version.

Speaker 3 21:37

Wolfgang himself reads it to you.

Speaker 1 21:39

No, he doesn't, yes, he does what?

Speaker 3 21:42

Yes, that is cool I don't even know yeah how do you know? That I don't just make it up.

Speaker 1 21:51

So excited.

Speaker 2 21:55

I didn't know, recorded on an album.

Speaker 3 21:58

Absolutely yeah right, oh exactly, why am I doing your work on your graph?

Speaker 2 22:02

On a ribbon microphone. Exactly, it's on my. It's how much to read list I should.

Speaker 1 22:09

I should move it up my pile of store has them for 2295.

Speaker 2 22:12

I always just assumed, since you were so into the book and I like fairly decent at writing and marketing, we could. We could just redo like a Like our generation's version of that book.

Speaker 3 22:28

It'd be more like a leaflet or or what about an episode of lee reading, reading, reading a chapter?

Speaker 1 22:35

I would do that for you. Let's have scott reading a chapter.

Speaker 2 22:39

Oh, that would take 30 hours we got a. I'm in the process. I got to figure out which reviews five star reviews we haven't read yet.

Speaker 3 22:47

Look, we can get James Earl, james Earl Jones yeah.

Speaker 1 22:50

Oh, if you want sleeping material, oh.

Speaker 2 22:54

No, james Earl.

Speaker 1 22:55

Jones, the voices of Darth Vader. Oh yeah, okay you know well, Scott would have been some.

Speaker 2 23:02

Yeah, we gotta get Scott to do some. We got to find a book Aviation book in the public domain and have scott read it, release it as a free audiobook.

Speaker 3 23:11

No, not free. I think people would pay to hear it.

Speaker 2 23:13

Yeah, yeah, it's torture like a pay-per-view we could get, yeah, maybe pay for an editor. So could I have release an episode in three weeks because I had no time to edit.

Speaker 1 23:22

No, vader doesn't put me to sleep. I'm just saying Darth Vader, doesn't James Earl Jones put you to sleep?

Speaker 3 23:28

Nope.

Speaker 1 23:29

Darth Vader doesn't put me to sleep, but James Earl Jones, I think, would they're actually one of the same. I know they are that's I said then you're saying that Vader's putting to sleep.

Speaker 3 23:38

Well, he's do. I gotta do everything over here for you specific way when he's Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 23:43

I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 23:44

Darth Vader. I know who Darth Vader is.

Speaker 4 23:47

I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 23:48

Yeah, well, I didn't know that. Isn't he like um?

Speaker 2 23:51

I thought it was like an intern talking into a coffee pot or something that did the voice.

Speaker 3 23:56

Nope.

Speaker 2 23:57

Okay, you could use.

Speaker 1 23:58

AI for anyone's voice.

Speaker 4 24:01

I can't somebody describe this to me.

Speaker 1 24:03

I don't know what this. I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 24:07

Nope, exactly. So because you're not here, this is all AI. I'm with on Darth Vader.

Speaker 1 24:10

I've never seen anything you've never seen the movies.

Speaker 2 24:12

I've never seen the movies. Hold on, no, no, no, that's in close.

Speaker 1 24:15

I've never seen. Oh, that's you. Oh okay, he's talking about you. Yeah, he's seen them.

Speaker 2 24:19

Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 24:21

He has to have.

Speaker 2 24:22

I have no desire to even watch them though deep fake. Scott's voice has been recorded enough. With the podcast, you could probably train AI on Scott's voice. Scott claims AI took over his pilotgroundcom account and was pretending to be Dr Physics for months. Yes, it's very possible.

Speaker 1 24:44

It wanted all the glory for itself.

Speaker 2 24:46

I thought Scott was just being a jackass. Well, he probably was. He claims AI had hacked his account and was running stuff on his account as AI under the name Dr Physics.

Speaker 3 25:01

I heard the Russians were targeting pilotground.

Speaker 2 25:06

They're like you know what.

Speaker 3 25:07

We're done with the election. Hell it's pilotgrounds are next.

Speaker 2 25:09

Yep that seems reasonable.

Speaker 3 25:13

I see the servers. It's rough.

Speaker 2 25:16

A lot of Slavic alphabet coming through on those requests Seriously Danovich. Yeah, oh, we got an insider. We got an insider.

Speaker 1 25:31

Okay, anything, aviation, I guess, maybe at all.

Speaker 2 25:35

So hard to keep up on pilot with all the nonstop traffic. Pilotgrounds have been sleepy. We want to get. Yeah, I've been redoing it, I've been deleting half of the spaces and Simplifying. Trying to simplify. I got to go through from someone who's never signed up. They come to the site and do that workflow. It's all screwed up. I haven't touched it since, like 2022. We launched it.

Speaker 1 25:58

My problem is, I'm not a social media person.

Speaker 2 26:02

It's not like social media.

Speaker 1 26:03

Well, you know it's something that attaches me to a cell phone which I don't like.

Speaker 2 26:07

You know what I mean. It's down on the circle, I happen.

Speaker 1 26:11

Like a glue to a different screen. So, that would be.

Speaker 2 26:15

Yeah, well, yeah, it's messaging with friends on pilot ground.

Speaker 1 26:19

And I get that and I want to be helpful to people. We had people in here like I'm going to take my check ride and whatever, and I want to be a part of that. I want to, if it helps and whatever, and tell me how the check ride goes. I am invested in that.

Speaker 4 26:32

But you guys have a legit question.

Speaker 1 26:36

What's up? Who said what I can't find?

Speaker 2 26:38

you, I'm Andreas, you guys, oh, I've not had a chance to fly in Southern Florida working on it. Whether wise, it's pretty different Top suggestions, like through Florida, compared to the Northeast. I don't know where, andreas, he said earlier Miami. Well, he moved to Miami.

Speaker 1 26:56

Well, he moved there, but he said from Chirac, which I assume was Chicago oh yeah, chirac.

Speaker 2 27:02

Got to wear a Kim wire when you go to the store. Scott Boris was just there, he survived he survived, he survived. He did not. I was talking to him about it yesterday. He was not pleased with Chirac.

Speaker 1 27:14

Yeah, summer thunderstorms.

Speaker 2 27:17

Summer thunderstorms Probably going to be one during the day.

Speaker 1 27:20

I don't even know if I would say summer, I would just say afternoon thunderstorms, almost period, yeah, no winters are Less. Well, I mean pretty, but three quarters of the year is thunderstorms in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 27:34

Okay, what did you say I'm just thinking Southeast Florida.

Speaker 1 27:38

Okay.

Speaker 2 27:38

I'm just the only area I'm super familiar with the weather, you probably.

Speaker 1 27:44

He's talking about Miami, so that's fine yeah.

Speaker 2 27:47

You probably experienced the whole length of Florida.

Speaker 1 27:48

Yes.

Speaker 2 27:49

Where I don't experience the full length.

Speaker 1 27:51

I know, but so you would not say I just know the tip, just the tip.

Speaker 2 27:56

Yes.

Speaker 1 27:58

So how would you say? The weather pattern is then Month to month.

Speaker 2 28:06

It's windy and not much weather, but what about spring, fall and summer Thunderstorms? Yeah, that's what I'm saying Almost daily.

Speaker 1 28:15

Okay, three quarters of the year is thunderstorms in the afternoon in Southeast South Florida.

Speaker 2 28:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:20

Okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm with you. Yeah, winner is good. Yeah, tons of flight training. Tons of flight training. Be, on flight following, unless you're staying in the pattern for sure.

Speaker 2 28:34

Do not yet be very careful, be very vigilant flying around there is an idiot around every corner in the sky. Yes, in Florida.

Considerations for Flying and Safety Equipment

Speaker 1 28:46

There's a lot of language barriers. Yes, atc, not being sure of what a student is requesting. Atc being so busy, they cannot give you flight following or they're not giving you the same capability of flight following that you're used to. Maybe up in the north, northeast, midwest yeah, weather for sure, which, of course, you'll look at before you take off. Once you get in flight, traffic I think is going to be your biggest consideration.

Speaker 2 29:19

Yeah, yeah, watch out for weather.

Speaker 1 29:21

Everybody's going north-south, everybody's going north-south.

Speaker 2 29:24

Unless you're running over the Bahamas. Just a Bahama guide in Miami too. There's instructors in the southeast coast of Florida there that just they'll do Bahamas checkouts. The lesson will just be showing you how to safely go over the Bahamas, go through customs and all that that's. In my opinion, some of the coolest flying you can do out of southeast Florida is leave Florida and go to some places. Looks beautiful from the air.

Speaker 1 29:53

Take your milk chucks.

Speaker 2 29:54

Take your milk chucks, preferably Coast Guard approved life jackets. Now that Scott's here, we can say that yeah that's true. Yeah, us Coast Guard approved life jackets.

Speaker 1 30:03

I've been researching I know you have I've been researching life jackets, life rafts.

Speaker 2 30:10

How is the life raft research going?

Speaker 1 30:14

I mean it's going well. I mean, my pilot store is where I've seen a lot of the. I'm doing a very generic search, but I would not say call them affordable. No, I mean.

Speaker 4 30:25

I'm not a big fan of the scheme of things.

Speaker 3 30:26

You know, you're talking several thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 30:28

Several thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 30:29

Yeah, you probably have a life fix expectancy on them, don't they? What do you mean? Like they're only good for so many years?

Speaker 1 30:36

Yeah, and then they need to be re-certified or tested and I haven't bought one to get all the literature. I'm not even close to buying one, but like I know ours, like commercially, like they have a TSO, which is Dance for Technical Service Order. They're all approved by the FAA. They have intervals, inspection intervals and replacement intervals and whatever. I haven't gotten that far, but they're like two to three thousand dollars and you can go as in-depth as you want. You know, before a Cirrus, for example, you get a four-place, you got Seems to have all the bells and whistles, all the ballast things you know to make it stable in the ocean. Or, and I treat Lake Erie almost from a and we've talked about this before just from the Chop and all the stuff almost ocean-like in terms of what it can turn up to quickly.

Speaker 2 31:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:31

The one then I'm kind of looking at and I'm looking at a primary for price. It's four person, it's like twenty five hundred bucks. My, I think it's my pilot stores or I'm looking at it. Haven't pulled the trigger. But and then lifejackets a Big fan of the Mustang survival Basically you wear them all the time and then they're just like ready, you're on and just pull the thing so we had a lifejacket.

Speaker 3 31:54

Inflatable. So we well, the Mustangs? No, they're not inflatable, I mean so definitely Mustang that are inflatable. Okay and I take it back. There might be some that are inflatable there a hundred percent are no.

Speaker 1 32:07

Yeah, huh.

Water Activity Safety and Preparations

Speaker 2 32:08

I'm not a hundred percent of them. Oh yeah, oh okay, I was gonna say cuz we use, some of them are mustangs.

Speaker 3 32:14

We used to use Mustang suits on the fire department all the time and they weren't inflatable, but you could.

Speaker 2 32:20

Fights on the show you get.

Speaker 3 32:22

You could. They were nice. Like I said, you would just wear those and yeah it's a what it's a like a survival suit that you float in. It also keeps you warm.

Speaker 2 32:31

Okay yeah, big suits, they call them in the yachting or go well, yeah, the.

Speaker 3 32:35

So gumby suits were the like the original ones. Gumby suits were a little bit different.

Speaker 2 32:39

They were they still have these well, they still have they were course for all the pool and Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 3 32:46

They were mostly. They were like gumby, where the Mustang is more workable, like you could walk around in a Mustang suit and do other stuff where the original gumby suits which we used to have those too prior to that. You look like gumby the character. Yeah and it was hard to do anything with in those, in those things.

Speaker 2 33:03

But yeah, off a high diving board, yeah, a pool, and all you do is just you just land the water and your arms just like Out. But if you use the nose.

Speaker 3 33:12

If you use the nose during, like a Winter, during the summertime, then actually actually you can float other people with you with the Mustang. You know I'm saying so It'll, it'll hold you up in. The Mustang suit will also hold you and someone else.

Speaker 1 33:30

Yeah, I can't like wear a suit like I need it, like a ready I get in the water. I don't want it to automatically inflate.

Speaker 3 33:36

That's like something I don't want well, what I'm trying to tell you is there are Mustang suits that you don't need to inflate where you already. You'll be floatable in those.

Speaker 1 33:44

But I gotta have it on yeah. Well, I got a kill from 3,000 feet and I'm descending to 800 feet a minute and I got to get this thing on no, you just wear it, I'm not, and this is just hoping you get out of the airplane Right.

Speaker 3 33:56

Yeah, well, that's open. I'm like your doors, open doors.

Speaker 2 34:00

It's why you fly Cessna's.

Speaker 1 34:01

They got two doors smaller doors that are hard to get out of, in my opinion. I Just want a get. Let me get in the water and then I'll just pull the thing and inflate the vests.

Speaker 3 34:14

Gotcha.

Speaker 1 34:15

I don't have any fitment issues. I have no automatic inflate.

Speaker 2 34:18

I'm completely in control and you just do summer flights to the cottage.

Speaker 1 34:22

Yeah, so now the water is cold on Memorial Day typically, when we open, we go get in the water at the beach. So I won't, I just ditch in the water, that doesn't yes. Temperature wise, no problem. We might go hyper thermic and die after a little bit. At least we'll survive the initial five to ten minutes, hopefully so till somebody come, gets you yeah the rest.

Speaker 2 34:51

that's why I want the raft.

Speaker 1 34:52

That's why I want the raft okay. It's like 18 pounds. You get out of the water. Cheap insurance policy.

Speaker 2 34:57

You're still wet and cold, but you're still wet and you're doing better than in the water.

Speaker 1 35:00

Yes, by a lot by a lot. Yeah, I think that probably buys us probably 50% more time.

Speaker 4 35:06

I would think at least.

Speaker 1 35:08

So I won't. I won't this year. I at least want to do life jackets, life preservers, but I think I'm actually gonna lean towards the airline style in the pouch.

Speaker 2 35:20

Okay, tyler just says, just don't fly shitty planes.

Speaker 1 35:26

That sounds easy. That sounds easy, but we're not talking. We're only going 20 miles and the period of time yes, we could totally do that. We could totally do what you're saying, yeah, but the route you take.

Speaker 3 35:44

I mean you, I've seen you, you fly and it's a great route. You take Peely. I'll go back to Portland. You're taking Peely over Middle Island, over Kelly's over, uh.

Speaker 2 35:58

That was the last time, because the weather again altitude the whole time too you like to get I mean you're within, you're within, you're within glad and distance of everything.

Speaker 1 36:07

But when you're doing it with your family and board, it doesn't feel like it. I remember those days. I remember those days, but when I got my kids in the back, they can't swim worth the shit.

Speaker 3 36:17

What do you at 2,500 feet?

Speaker 1 36:20

AGL okay. I like 3,000 to 3,500 MSL.

Speaker 3 36:26

So do you think you could glide within light, in distance of everything you're at?

Speaker 1 36:31

nope, and I'm why am I gonna take that chance? 3,500, I feel pretty okay, but when I got a 30 knot headwind, like I did the other day, I went up to Peely at 152 knots ground speed. So if I turn that around I'm doing like 70 knots ground speed coming back, which I had to do excited, double triptych size, taking my in-laws. When you're doing that and you're just like watching the same thing for minutes at a time, it's like I can't go to shit. So turn around, know where?

Speaker 3 36:59

you're at turn around now. You get that. Hundred fifty two leave me.

Speaker 1 37:01

I know I get that, but how much did I lose in that turn which I've baked into the cake when I picked the altitude I was flying at to begin with. So if I went at 3,500 feet, so I normally go to Peely at 33,000. I normally go back at 3,500 and that extra 500 I've lost doing that turn. Gotcha, it's, it's not enough. And what do I do? It gets me to shore. I'm still landing in the water. I still got to figure out.

Speaker 3 37:29

So if you get you to shore any land in the water, you're gonna take your little lifejack or life raft out. You're gonna open it to get that two feet to shore.

Speaker 1 37:38

Well, if you're that, close to yeah, it just depends life raft, not a big, not a huge concern.

Speaker 3 37:44

Life jackets. I think like jackets are a huge yeah.

Speaker 1 37:48

I'm hoping that my wife can get hers on, get my kids on in that period of time. So if I'm after thousand feet and I descended about 800 feet per minute, power off at idle at best glide speed, what's that give me?

Speaker 3 38:03

so my suggestion to you then would be this practice, that drill with your family that they have to put that on.

Speaker 1 38:09

Yeah, except you rip it and then you got to inspect it.

Speaker 3 38:12

Well, True, but I mean I'm sure you could find one, that's you know.

Speaker 1 38:16

I'm saying you can find I could find something that will be a placeholder There'd be a placeholder there's just to get through that.

Speaker 3 38:21

so they get that muscle like fine, get that muscle memory like okay, this is what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 38:25

Hold your son. Have you forgotten how hard kids are? Five and three.

Speaker 3 38:28

He's like 30. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 38:32

Can you imagine going through this drill like?

Speaker 3 38:34

yeah, but go listen my happy meal no women. Would you rather go through that drill now or when it's an emergency?

Speaker 1 38:41

get through the drill. I have to hope that my wife can just get it on like there's just no but okay, have her do the drill.

Speaker 3 38:48

Absolutely okay, yeah, I'm just asking.

Speaker 1 38:51

Yeah, yeah, she's gonna be in control. She's gonna manhandle them. It's not about fun, she's gonna be rough. She's gonna get the lifejacket on them. Get them safe and push them out, pull the thing. Well, actually, those ones automatically in place, that's fine. Yeah, but get them out before it inflates so they don't have any rips or anything like that, or minimal rips. Hopefully. It sucks to think about. It sucks to think about.

Speaker 2 39:13

No, I got a buddy just Bought a brand-new, overpriced boat. We're gonna go run it out to a Walker's K at some point this fall.

Speaker 4 39:21

The.

Speaker 2 39:22

Allen family is building it out in the Bahamas. We're gonna check it out, get some fuel and go fishing. I want to Inreach mini the in reach me to, just on my person, just because 36 foot Jupiter center console Crossing over the Bahamas. It's like it's a brand-new boat, triple engines. I'm sure everything will be fine. It's like I Just feel way better with that clip to me.

Speaker 1 39:47

I'm I'm hugely in fan of those even though it's overkill, that's not gonna help my situation, that situation, any type of remotely remote Operations, just peace of mind, yeah. And now can you text with that one yeah, yeah, see, I'd hand. But the boat.

Speaker 2 40:07

Yeah, the boats loaded up with the garments and everything and the e-perbs and Everything you can imagine. But it's like what if I go overboard, it's like I'm not even wearing a lifejacket or anything, but I mean I can tread water, hit that thing if. First, because people underestimate If you go overboard, offshore, people underestimate how difficult it is to actually find that person.

Speaker 2 40:29

Oh yeah if you're running, like, oh, we'll just stop and turn around and get the person. It's like, maybe if you didn't hit that man overboard on the GPS, like immediately when it happened, if you didn't throw off a bunch of float floatation devices and cushions and anything that could float to try to make a trail in that area, it's extraordinarily difficult to actually track back and get somebody that fell off when you're running.

Speaker 1 40:52

Yeah, sure it's you in waves, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you have like topography. Yeah, you have to see this constantly Throwing off what you're searching for. Yeah, it's not a good point.

Speaker 2 41:03

It's not just a guaranteed oh. We just Throw the, go to idle, turn around and you know, go pick the person up. It's like. Hopefully you can do that, but chances are you may not be able to.

Speaker 3 41:16

Yeah, well, we flew to Alaska and Cherokee 180 from Lorraine we took. We took a bunch of survival stuff, but we also rented like a Jeep I don't know was like a satellite Communicator, something like that that you could rent per week or whatever. That would give you a location if something went wrong. So we had that. I think we had a.

Speaker 1 41:37

What was that like?

Speaker 2 41:37

2015 in reach or spot of the two companies. Yeah, I think it was in the garment the in reach of the garment each yeah, and then there's iridium spot Maybe or maybe a spot it wanted.

Speaker 3 41:48

Both those sound from them.

Speaker 2 41:49

They're looking both up.

Speaker 3 41:51

Yeah, so we rented that for like the two that for two weeks or whatever. So that was in 2016 yeah 2016.

Speaker 1 41:59

Okay, yeah, so All right, yeah, between 406 megahertz ELT's. And then, you know, having an additional and honestly, let's face it, a garment in reach or something like on the maybe non FAA certified side, might give you better returns than just the 406 megahertz ELT, might. You know, it's got to work all the time, but is it the most precise Thing? I don't know. Yeah, I'm a, I'm a big fan in that. That's not gonna help me a whole lot for, like the route that I'm doing, you know, I just have to hope for, you know, landing close to a boat and all that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 42:39

But you can find windy days and if it's slop out, there's not many boats out there and like the sum I think about, that's the raft. The cold or the cold, or well, yeah, the world that we guys blowing out the boats aren't going out exactly, yeah, half of them aren't even in.

Speaker 1 42:54

Yeah, yeah, so, or more so, yeah, and but I mean that's, that's a big expense. How do you put a price on? But you do where you have no life jackets now. Yeah, I've been doing it for two years like this. You know doing. You know six to eight trips a summer. Kids can't really swim. They've done swim classes but can't they can't really swim.

Speaker 3 43:16

Completely different lake completely different lake.

Speaker 1 43:19

Yeah, with conditions and whatever, and, and that's why 3500 feet bring him, bring him out here so that's that's.

Speaker 3 43:27

I mean that's the first thing you get going for. You get that Altitude. I mean, think about people that fly over less than that.

Speaker 1 43:33

I know, I do think about that. I think about all the times, the countless times that I flew at 1500 feet agl and you're like borderline and like now it's like 3500 agl feels low, you know, when you got your family on board. I mean, it's just game changing.

Speaker 2 43:50

People underestimate the great lakes. I remember Tyler's in the chat here. He's In studio here. I remember him mentioning like I didn't expect this is just. You don't see anything out the lake here. It's like as open as an ocean is it is.

Speaker 1 44:06

Yeah, I mean, it functions like that too. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 44:12

All right, we we answered all the chat things. I'm ready to? I'm sure not, but I Happily cross over into control their space, with flight following, and not only for somewhere to land, but added comms. Cold water terrifies me. Yeah, cold water is not Very unforgiving.

Discussion on Hypothermia and Flight Instruction

Speaker 1 44:31

We didn't we? I mean like it was a long time ago. We kind of brought up a chart that showed like, by tempera scott pulled it up we're kind of arguing about hypothermia.

Speaker 2 44:41

There's something about that. Yeah, we're talking about you. Yeah, how long? Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 44:46

And it's kind of surprising, even if you have seven degree water, there is still you. At some point you will still become hypothermic.

Speaker 2 44:53

Oh yeah you know, it's fantastic You're trying to do that in south florida in the summertime. Yeah, yeah, I know but how long do I have to lay in here until I'm not sweating?

Speaker 1 45:04

Right, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 45:10

All right, chat's kind of quietened down down to 20 viewers. I feel like this is a decent stopping point. Sure, sure. Thank you everybody for being in the chat.

Speaker 1 45:22

Yeah, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 45:23

Thanks, Mr Jeff Denevich. Like you're a flight legend, Thanks for coming.

Speaker 4 45:26

Thank you, hallie, for filling in, no problem.

Speaker 2 45:28

Yep. Fourth chair that's what they call it in the business. Third chair there's fourth chair. You know it's a yeah If there's more questions.

Speaker 1 45:39

Yeah, feel free to email me or whatever on Piley Ground. Yeah, we're, we'll just wrap this up or Jeff Chat's kind of quiet, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 45:47

Yeah, all right Later. See you guys, now's the time I gotta try to figure out how to stop this.

Speaker 1 45:56

Right there you got it.

Speaker 2 45:57

There we go.

Speaker 3 45:59

So I guess Stan corrected here I got. I forgot we had the Gumby. We had survival suits. Then we had the Mustang. So the Mustangs we were on the fire boat in summertime with life jackets, but in the wintertime we had a survival suit that we wore. That was completely different. It was like a step up from the Gumby suit.

Speaker 4 46:19

So yeah, the.

Speaker 3 46:19

Mustang suits. I do stand corrected the one suit. No, it was a suit, but it's a survival suit for cold water Mustangs makes a bunch of products, right, okay. We had a Mustang suit, we still had to wear a life jacket on yeah. Yeah, we had the other ones. I was thinking it's like wait a minute.

Speaker 1 46:35

No, I forgot we had the yellow ones. There's probably nothing that we're talking about here. That is like the same thing. Yeah, the Mustang. I mean it's just a very slim line. You wear it full time and it inflates.

Speaker 3 46:47

No, they do make those for around, for dock workers, people that work around docks that they don't want to wear the bulky.

Speaker 1 46:52

That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 46:54

Yeah, no, you're right, you're absolutely right with that. But we also had Mustangs who said we wore that one oh sure. Cold weather Totally.

Speaker 1 47:01

But so you can move around on the fire boat. Cold weather, yeah you getting a beer, oh oh okay.

Speaker 3 47:07

She's like I'm not an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 47:11

Yeah, oh yeah. We go a while when we do these. Nobody's in life yet, though, so we have nothing. What's everybody drinking? I got white claw. We've got children in the background, we've got it all. We've got Mr Denovich here, and we have my sister Halle, for the forum first. Scott isn't here, and she was upstairs.

Speaker 3 47:39

So, that's the qualifications to get on the show.

Speaker 4 47:42

The new Scott.

Speaker 3 47:42

Yes, which is not kind of doing. You can be on this show next time. I believe you said.

Speaker 2 47:50

I believe you said I just drink and ask lead frustrating questions. I said basically yeah, that's Scott's job. You're hired.

Speaker 1 47:58

You're hired. You've written on airplanes a lot. You've written on airplanes a lot. Yeah, qualified to be here.

Speaker 2 48:04

Yep.

Speaker 1 48:05

Perfectly qualified.

Speaker 2 48:06

Had the mask come down one time.

Speaker 1 48:09

Yeah, because of a pin we were discussing earlier, more than a lot of people have seen. Yeah, you've been through some shit, yeah.

Speaker 4 48:16

It was pretty scary situations, yeah it can be traumatizing. It is Absolutely, but when you have a bar on board it's okay.

Speaker 1 48:24

Yeah, it's only traumatizing if you haven't drank enough.

Speaker 2 48:27

So the pilots? I watched a video today because I've been watching a bunch of powered parachute videos. It was a debate. He made the argument that, like the FAA, might not be that upset if you're drunk flying as long as you're not a certificate of pilot and you are in an ultralight vehicle. Was the was the argument. He wasn't recommending it, but he was saying that basically, 103 is the entire rules and technically there's nothing in there about drinking.

Speaker 3 48:59

Yeah, but I think the state or the, I think the state could get you local.

Speaker 1 49:03

Oh yeah, that's why they've turned it into an OVI.

Speaker 2 49:06

Probably.

Speaker 1 49:07

Operating a vehicle.

Speaker 2 49:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 49:10

Lawnmowers, right Riding bikes, Don't people get. I mean, it's all that stuff.

Speaker 2 49:14

Unicycle.

Speaker 1 49:15

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 49:17

One wheel One. I feel like that should be an exception If you, if you're good enough to be on a unicycle, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 49:24

All right. You are, you can own the town tonight, man.

Speaker 2 49:27

Yeah, that's, that's what I feel like. If you can, if you can be on a unicycle, let them. Let them have their fun.

Speaker 1 49:33

The one person in the room who can do it, yeah.

Speaker 4 49:35

Bobby's dried to school.

Speaker 2 49:36

Yeah, can you?

Speaker 1 49:37

Oh, I don't know I wouldn't surprise me if you could Can you, no, no.

Speaker 2 49:42

I mean you have a sidecar in your motorcycle. You seem like the kind of guy that might have unicycle scales up your sleeve, that is true. Tyler Bronck Horse says Lee is alive. I don't know what here.

Speaker 1 49:51

I am.

Speaker 3 49:52

Yes, Um could be AI, what it could be AI. Maybe you're not here.

Speaker 2 49:59

Yeah, I'm not, it's getting pretty advanced, the AI we are. We're teaming up. We're waiting for some more people to roll in here. We're doing an episode on like getting a student from zero to solo, which I've been somewhat contemplating down in Florida offering a flight instruction. Um, so reach out if you have a plane and you want flight instruction in South Florida. I'm considering the possibility of maybe taking on a handful of students on the side.

Speaker 3 50:36

I think a great, I think what would be really good is if the far aim paid for your sister go from zero to private pilot.

Speaker 2 50:42

That would be a very with our with our profit margin at the moment, that'd be a very slow endeavor.

Speaker 4 50:49

Just an idea. I'm in.

Speaker 2 50:50

You could get like maybe 20 minutes a month, maybe with our margin, if somebody helped us gave us a deal on a plane like Scott.

Speaker 1 51:01

Right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 51:03

That would be interesting, though you I was going to teach you at one point.

Speaker 4 51:06

You were, you did one lesson, I think.

Speaker 2 51:08

Yes, and I made you read a book and you got upset and you complained to Lee, I think.

Speaker 3 51:14

Now she's disqualified. She's got at least an hour. I do?

Speaker 4 51:18

I logged one session in my logbook.

Speaker 1 51:21

Did we actually? Where is that logbook? Did we actually go?

Speaker 2 51:23

for it. It's in my parents house.

Speaker 4 51:24

You have it still. I don't think we got off the ground.

Speaker 2 51:28

If we were in the airplane, we would have gotten off the ground. Yeah, we did then. Okay, I forgot about that then.

Speaker 4 51:36

Wait, no, no, no, we didn't. We made it to the living room. You had a board, a dry erase board and you started doing stuff, and then you said let's move to the airport and I kind of said no.

Speaker 2 51:49

Okay, that sounds that's ringing a bell now. Okay, see ya.

Speaker 1 51:53

It's tough to teach the people closest to you.

Speaker 2 51:58

If that's not a ringing endorsement for my potential CFI skills. If you're down in South Florida looking for lessons, I don't know what is.

Speaker 4 52:05

I'm sure you're a great teacher but, you cannot teach sisters, family members.

Speaker 3 52:10

You just can't do that my first lesson was like go in and introduce myself, meet Lee and Lee's like alright, let's go flying. There was no dry erase board, it was just in the plane and let's do it.

Speaker 2 52:21

I think the weather was not conducive. We started in the winter. So I'm like well, if we want to get started, it's going to be ground, because you can't take off out of A&L to this time of year.

Speaker 1 52:33

I think that's one of the hardest things is as an instructor, you recognize all of the groundwork that needs to be done, but from the student standpoint you're like I don't want to pay for that, I want to do the fun stuff and that's all I want to do.

Speaker 2 52:44

Yeah, I mean she wasn't paying, though.

Speaker 1 52:47

Well, I get that, but from a you want to go?

Speaker 2 52:49

in and construct.

Speaker 1 52:51

That's one of the biggest things you need. Like it took me forever to learn it's still learning. Like it's a sales position, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 52:57

You have to keep coming back.

Speaker 4 52:58

It would have been way more interesting if we were in an airplane.

Speaker 2 53:02

I'm sure.

Speaker 1 53:03

But see the people closest to you, though it is such a I think about when I go to teach my kids, they are going to hate every second of it and I will probably turn them off to flying all together Because you want them to be better than I am better than anybody else, and that all starts with groundwork drawn on a dry raceboard. Get the fundamentals, the concepts and all the physics and all of the 30 years that I'll have by then of flying I want to get in their head, which is not possible.

Speaker 2 53:35

Yeah, just think of everything you had to do to learn all that.

Speaker 1 53:39

I know, but I want them to do it.

Speaker 2 53:40

You can't do that right now.

Speaker 3 53:41

You can't do that, absolutely. Yeah, but think of the content that's out there now that you guys didn't have. We were starting out. You know you have the YouTube videos.

Speaker 1 53:50

We're making the content.

Speaker 3 53:52

I know we are now the content, but there was no content out there. There was like just the books to read, stuff like that. There, you know, maybe sporties, videos. But now the thing as an instructor you got to make sure you go through that stuff, make sure they're not getting bad advice from someone that's on there telling them how to do something.

Speaker 1 54:08

Yeah, put the parental controls on Exactly. You know so they don't. Yeah.

Speaker 3 54:11

But there is more content out there for them to do all that stuff. The dry erase boards are already on a video somewhere where someone was already doing it, you know.

Speaker 1 54:19

Well, and I think that's I mean in general, I think that knowledge that's coming at them from all angles. If they have a question and it's after hours, they're not texting you anymore. Maybe they are if they still not getting it, but they can go to YouTube and find all the answers they want Exactly. And then you just kind of have to maybe refine it and make it applicable to your airplane or your airspace or whatever it is. But I think by and large it's probably an advantage to us as instructors.

Speaker 3 54:44

I think a lot of stuff. They come back and you're like I didn't even. You know there's some stuff there Like they're saying you're like, well, I never thought that way, so you're also getting, you're also becoming a student also by you know they're talking to you.

Speaker 1 54:56

Yeah, right, yeah, it elevates everybody all of that knowledge that they can go find and then bring back to the group, the flight school, that individual instructor, I think, is all good.

Speaker 2 55:09

Absolutely so. Andreas is in the chat. Hey, y'all been a while. Yeah, I like how we were on Rumble and he switched to. He took his old handle from Rumble or from Twitch, which is Twitch sucks. I brought it here. Good to see you. Aviation, mike. Hello.

Speaker 1 55:27

Hey.

Speaker 2 55:28

Mike, what's everybody drinking? I got a white claw going Inspired I got a chorus. That's what my sister was drinking.

Speaker 1 55:35

Some ranch water over here, probably the first ranch water on the show I think so I think so I think I just got playing Coke.

Speaker 2 55:41

Coke. We call that a virgin captain in Coke and Carrie Genis. What's a Genis? Genis yeah.

Speaker 1 55:52

Colch I love Colch.

Speaker 2 55:53

Really.

Speaker 1 55:54

One of my favorite beers.

Speaker 2 55:55

Oh man.

Speaker 1 55:55

Absolutely Haven't had that. One Never heard of it. But Bitburger, Bitburger. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 56:01

Oh, I've had that.

Speaker 1 56:02

What is that?

Speaker 2 56:04

It's, I don't know.

Speaker 1 56:05

What is that?

Speaker 2 56:05

Mike, I remember when I crashed this bar down in Florida and they had it and I just ordered it because Burger was in the name and it was good, great. Yeah, it's the bit. We should probably try to find it Pilsner-ish, yeah, I tell you Brunkhorse of Saints, kind of Pilsner-ish.

Speaker 1 56:22

It's a German lager, okay. Yeah, so look we got Colch's Pilsner-ish German lager. We're all kind of in the same. It's all Germany, yeah, Germany type stuff.

Speaker 2 56:31

And we got, we got white claws.

Speaker 1 56:33

What are you drinking? It's Andreas drinking.

Speaker 2 56:35

I don't know we still got. No, we drank all of Andreas's room. I think we got some peerless in there still from Andreas in the in the fridge behind me. We'll get to it All right, I think we can kick it off.

Speaker 4 56:49

The German Bud Light.

Speaker 1 56:52

It's the German Bud Light. As long as it's not the American Bud Light, it's all the matters.

Speaker 2 56:56

Okay, before we go down that rabbit hole, let's, you know, let's just kick off the episode. Oh, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 57:05

Yes, andreas, yes, very good question.

Speaker 2 57:07

Good thing, yeah, we're on rumble, so you can't really do anything to get kicked off a rumble, which is good. That's why we're on here. Try thinking how to kick this episode off. Three, two, one. We got to kick it off like that, obviously, like that.

Speaker 3 57:21

We haven't, we haven't started this is kind of the. That's all my content. I have not been like this, did it already, all right.

Speaker 2 57:29

Thanks for watching.